[gentoo-nfp] [RFC] Articles of Incorporation change: purpose of the foundation (doesn't mention Gentoo at all!)

[gentoo-nfp] [RFC] Articles of Incorporation change: purpose of the foundation (doesn't mention Gentoo at all!)

[Andreas K. Huettel]

Hey all, 

one thing that I have always been wondering about - the purpose of the Gentoo 
Foundation, as defined in the Articles of Incorporation [1] and referenced 
e.g. in the bylaws, does not mention Gentoo at all!

Going by the given text, we could just donate all our money to the Perl 
foundation and all would be good. Or not... This is actually a very strange 
situation, and has been since the initial creation of the foundation. 

****
So... I'd like to hereby kick off the discussion that the purpose of the 
Gentoo Foundation should be specified better in its Articles of Incorporation.
****

Whatever conclusion we come to can then be filed as a change request to the NM 
authorities.

Cheers, Andreas


[1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/
Foundation:Articles_of_Incorporation#Article_III_-_Purpose


-- 
Andreas K. Hüttel
dilfridge@gentoo.org
Gentoo Linux developer 
(council, toolchain, perl, libreoffice, comrel)

Re: [gentoo-nfp] [RFC] Articles of Incorporation change: purpose of the foundation (doesn't mention Gentoo at all!)

[Raymond Jennings]

On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 10:12 AM, Andreas K. Huettel
<dilfridge@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> one thing that I have always been wondering about - the purpose of the Gentoo
> Foundation, as defined in the Articles of Incorporation [1] and referenced
> e.g. in the bylaws, does not mention Gentoo at all!
>
> Going by the given text, we could just donate all our money to the Perl
> foundation and all would be good. Or not... This is actually a very strange
> situation, and has been since the initial creation of the foundation.

Very embarrassing oversight.  Good of you to notice it though and
bring it to attention.

> ****
> So... I'd like to hereby kick off the discussion that the purpose of the
> Gentoo Foundation should be specified better in its Articles of Incorporation.
> ****
>
> Whatever conclusion we come to can then be filed as a change request to the NM
> authorities.
>
> Cheers, Andreas
>
>
> [1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/
> Foundation:Articles_of_Incorporation#Article_III_-_Purpose
>
>
> --
> Andreas K. Hüttel
> dilfridge@gentoo.org
> Gentoo Linux developer
> (council, toolchain, perl, libreoffice, comrel)
>
>
>

Re: [gentoo-nfp] [RFC] Articles of Incorporation change: purpose of the foundation (doesn't mention Gentoo at all!)

[Rich Freeman]

On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 1:12 PM Andreas K. Huettel <dilfridge@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> one thing that I have always been wondering about - the purpose of the Gentoo
> Foundation, as defined in the Articles of Incorporation [1] and referenced
> e.g. in the bylaws, does not mention Gentoo at all!
>

I imagine it is because the people who wrote it didn't conceive of a
Gentoo separate from the Foundation.  The Articles describe what
Gentoo does, though in an incredibly vague/general way (presumably to
allow latitude in its operations).

It wouldn't be a bad design but for the fact that many don't want to
have anything to do with the governance/operation of the Foundation,
for various reasons, which ends up creating a bit of a split
direction.

I'm not sure that adding some detail around Gentoo being a project
associated with a Linux distribution would actually fix the
fundamental issues, but I don't really see us ever moving away from
that.

-- 
Rich

Re: [gentoo-nfp] [RFC] Articles of Incorporation change: purpose of the foundation (doesn't mention Gentoo at all!)

[Matthew Thode]

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On 18-06-02 19:12:50, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
> Hey all, 
> 
> one thing that I have always been wondering about - the purpose of the Gentoo 
> Foundation, as defined in the Articles of Incorporation [1] and referenced 
> e.g. in the bylaws, does not mention Gentoo at all!
> 
> Going by the given text, we could just donate all our money to the Perl 
> foundation and all would be good. Or not... This is actually a very strange 
> situation, and has been since the initial creation of the foundation. 
> 
> ****
> So... I'd like to hereby kick off the discussion that the purpose of the 
> Gentoo Foundation should be specified better in its Articles of Incorporation.
> ****
> 
> Whatever conclusion we come to can then be filed as a change request to the NM 
> authorities.
> 
> Cheers, Andreas
> 
> 
> [1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/
> Foundation:Articles_of_Incorporation#Article_III_-_Purpose
> 

I think stating Gentoo is the primary project we manage would not hurt
things, but I don't think it would help much either.  As long as we are
able to manage other projects that's fine.  A side effect of this is
that it would bring Gentoo (and presumably all projects within) under
direct control of the foundation.  I'm not sure you'd want that (this
has been a point of contention in the past).

-- 
Matthew Thode (prometheanfire)

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] [RFC] Articles of Incorporation change: purpose of the foundation (doesn't mention Gentoo at all!)

[Roy Bamford]

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On 2018.06.03 20:38, Matthew Thode wrote:
> On 18-06-02 19:12:50, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
> > Hey all, 
> > 
> > one thing that I have always been wondering about - the purpose of
> the Gentoo 
> > Foundation, as defined in the Articles of Incorporation [1] and
> referenced 
> > e.g. in the bylaws, does not mention Gentoo at all!
> > 
> > Going by the given text, we could just donate all our money to the
> Perl 
> > foundation and all would be good. Or not... This is actually a very
> strange 
> > situation, and has been since the initial creation of the
> foundation. 
> > 
> > ****
> > So... I'd like to hereby kick off the discussion that the purpose of
> the 
> > Gentoo Foundation should be specified better in its Articles of
> Incorporation.
> > ****
> > 
> > Whatever conclusion we come to can then be filed as a change request
> to the NM 
> > authorities.
> > 
> > Cheers, Andreas
> > 
> > 
> > [1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/
> > Foundation:Articles_of_Incorporation#Article_III_-_Purpose
> > 
> 
> I think stating Gentoo is the primary project we manage would not hurt
> things, but I don't think it would help much either.  As long as we
> are
> able to manage other projects that's fine.  A side effect of this is
> that it would bring Gentoo (and presumably all projects within) under
> direct control of the foundation.  I'm not sure you'd want that (this
> has been a point of contention in the past).
> 
> -- 
> Matthew Thode (prometheanfire)
> 

Before we amend the Articles of Incorporation we should discuss why
they are the way they are with Wayne Chew as he's the guy that set 
up the foundation in the first place. 

-- 
Regards,

Roy Bamford
(Neddyseagoon) a member of
elections
gentoo-ops
forum-mods

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