[gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[Steve Long]

[Sorry if this is unthreaded, I can't send via gmane.]
Grant Goodyear wrote:
> Grant Goodyear wrote: [Thu Jan 24 2008, 10:51:31AM CST]
>> Since drobbins has (I believe) rescinded his offer, we
>> need to get going on getting some competent Trustees.
> 
> Um, by "competent Trustees", I meant ones other than what
> we have now.  It's possible to read into the above a suggestion
> that I was using "competent" in contrast with "drobbins", and
> for that I apologize, since that's completely incorrect.  I
> have no reason whatsoever to doubt drobbins' competence.
> 
Well FWIW I don't believe you to be incompetent, and would sincerely hope you 
consider standing. I'd understand if you want to be shot of it, but I think 
you'd continue to be an asset; others are ofc needed on-board to help 
shoulder the load, so that it doesn't matter if you need to take time out as 
and when. Please consider it.
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[Alec Warner]

I nominate:

Alec Warner (antarus) # I have to double check that I can run
Grant Goodyear (g2boojum)
William Thomson (wltjr) # can you run?
Renat Lumpau (rl03)
Wulf Krueger (philantrop) # I think you have been here long enough
Kurt Lieber (klieber)
Markus Ullmann (jokey)
Roy Bamford (neddyseagoon) # have you been here long enough?

Grant,

Do we follow the bylaws for 'who can be trustees'?

-Alec

On 1/24/08, Steve Long <slong@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
> [Sorry if this is unthreaded, I can't send via gmane.]
> Grant Goodyear wrote:
> > Grant Goodyear wrote: [Thu Jan 24 2008, 10:51:31AM CST]
> >> Since drobbins has (I believe) rescinded his offer, we
> >> need to get going on getting some competent Trustees.
> >
> > Um, by "competent Trustees", I meant ones other than what
> > we have now.  It's possible to read into the above a suggestion
> > that I was using "competent" in contrast with "drobbins", and
> > for that I apologize, since that's completely incorrect.  I
> > have no reason whatsoever to doubt drobbins' competence.
> >
> Well FWIW I don't believe you to be incompetent, and would sincerely hope you
> consider standing. I'd understand if you want to be shot of it, but I think
> you'd continue to be an asset; others are ofc needed on-board to help
> shoulder the load, so that it doesn't matter if you need to take time out as
> and when. Please consider it.
> --
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>
>
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

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On Thu, 2008-01-24 at 11:24 -0800, Alec Warner wrote:
> I nominate:

Thanks :)

> William Thomson (wltjr) # can you run?

Kinda short, so not very fast :)

But yes, I believe I qualify to run. I made my technical 1yr in August.
Just around the time of past election. Wasn't sure if I could then.
Recruitment took several months due to short staffing all around.  I
figured I would in summer 08, if nominated :) So should be fine now,
just a little earlier than what I planned.

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[Paul Varner]

On Thu, 2008-01-24 at 11:24 -0800, Alec Warner wrote:
> I nominate:
> 
> Alec Warner (antarus) # I have to double check that I can run
> Grant Goodyear (g2boojum)
> William Thomson (wltjr) # can you run?
> Renat Lumpau (rl03)
> Wulf Krueger (philantrop) # I think you have been here long enough
> Kurt Lieber (klieber)
> Markus Ullmann (jokey)
> Roy Bamford (neddyseagoon) # have you been here long enough?

I second all of these, plus I would like to add Joshua Jackson (tsunam)
to the list.

Regards,
Paul
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[joshua jackson]

Paul Varner wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-01-24 at 11:24 -0800, Alec Warner wrote:
>   
>> I nominate:
>>
>> Alec Warner (antarus) # I have to double check that I can run
>> Grant Goodyear (g2boojum)
>> William Thomson (wltjr) # can you run?
>> Renat Lumpau (rl03)
>> Wulf Krueger (philantrop) # I think you have been here long enough
>> Kurt Lieber (klieber)
>> Markus Ullmann (jokey)
>> Roy Bamford (neddyseagoon) # have you been here long enough?
>>     
>
> I second all of these, plus I would like to add Joshua Jackson (tsunam)
> to the list.
>
> Regards,
> Paul
>   
Thank you Paul

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

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On Thu, 2008-01-24 at 12:37 -0800, joshua jackson wrote:
> Paul Varner wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-01-24 at 11:24 -0800, Alec Warner wrote:
> >   
> >> I nominate:
> >>
> >> Alec Warner (antarus) # I have to double check that I can run
> >> Grant Goodyear (g2boojum)
> >> William Thomson (wltjr) # can you run?
> >> Renat Lumpau (rl03)
> >> Wulf Krueger (philantrop) # I think you have been here long enough
> >> Kurt Lieber (klieber)
> >> Markus Ullmann (jokey)
> >> Roy Bamford (neddyseagoon) # have you been here long enough?
> >>     
> >
> > I second all of these, plus I would like to add Joshua Jackson (tsunam)
> > to the list.

I second Joshua Jackson (tsunam), and third the list above, excluding
myself. :)

One thing to nominate oneself, another to second oneself. :)

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[Roy Bamford]

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On 2008.01.24 19:24, Alec Warner wrote:
> I nominate:
> 
[snip]
> Roy Bamford (neddyseagoon) # have you been here long enough?
> 
> Grant,
> 
> Do we follow the bylaws for 'who can be trustees'?
> 
> -Alec
> 
[snip]

I'm very flattered by the nomination - I have been on the staff long 
enough to qualify to serve as a trustee, having just failed to qualify 
for the 2006 council election.

As I'm not a US citizen, I would like to know more about my 
responsibilities and personal liabilities were I to be elected, before I

decide if I can accept.

- -- 
Regards,

Roy Bamford
(NeddySeagoon) a member of
gentoo-ops
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[Kurt Lieber]

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On 1/24/08, Alec Warner <antarus@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> I nominate:

[snip]

> Kurt Lieber (klieber)


Thanks, but I've been a trustee before and I wasn't very good at it.
Truthfully, it's not all that much fun.  The work is boring and thankless
and, no matter what you do (or don't do), you invariably piss someone off as
a result.

So, while I appreciate the nomination, I respectfully decline to
participate.

--kurt

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[Grant Goodyear]

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Alec Warner wrote: [Thu Jan 24 2008, 01:24:10PM CST]
> Grant,
> 
> Do we follow the bylaws for 'who can be trustees'?

No, because we never have.  That's one of the reasons that the bylaws
were never approved.  Instead, we'll follow precedent: eligible voters
are current members of the Foundation (anybody who has ever voted in a
Trustee election) and any Gentoo dev who has been a dev during
the last 365 days dated from the close of the election poll.

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[William Warren]

just because the bylaws have never been followed does not mean they 
should be ignored.

Grant Goodyear wrote:
> Alec Warner wrote: [Thu Jan 24 2008, 01:24:10PM CST]
>> Grant,
>>
>> Do we follow the bylaws for 'who can be trustees'?
> 
> No, because we never have.  That's one of the reasons that the bylaws
> were never approved.  Instead, we'll follow precedent: eligible voters
> are current members of the Foundation (anybody who has ever voted in a
> Trustee election) and any Gentoo dev who has been a dev during
> the last 365 days dated from the close of the election poll.
> 
> -g2boojum-

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every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt 
condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their 
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[Richard Freeman]

William Warren wrote:
> just because the bylaws have never been followed does not mean they 
> should be ignored.
> 

I agree.  Actually - to do otherwise may very well be illegal.  I'm not 
sure what the penalties are if any.  If the bylaws are onerous they can 
be changed, again following whatever process is stated in the bylaws, or 
otherwise as proscribed by law.

Is there any reason not to do things by the book?  What's the point of 
having a legal entity if we're not going to follow the law?  Unless of 
course the law allows the foundation to just ignore its bylaws...
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[Grant Goodyear]

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William Warren wrote: [Fri Jan 25 2008, 09:28:00AM CST]
> just because the bylaws have never been followed does not mean they should 
> be ignored.

You're quite right.  The proposed bylaws shouldn't be ignored; they
should be changed to reflect what was agreed upon by the original
Trustees, and practiced ever since.  That section and the quorum
requirements (which would fail disastrously given the number of members
that the Foundation has) are the major obstacles to ratifying the
bylaws, and now would be as good a time as any to clean that up.

-g2boojum-
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[Grant Goodyear]

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Richard Freeman wrote: [Fri Jan 25 2008, 09:37:09AM CST]
> I agree.  Actually - to do otherwise may very well be illegal.  I'm not 
> sure what the penalties are if any.  If the bylaws are onerous they can be 
> changed, again following whatever process is stated in the bylaws, or 
> otherwise as proscribed by law.
>
> Is there any reason not to do things by the book?  What's the point of 
> having a legal entity if we're not going to follow the law?  Unless of 
> course the law allows the foundation to just ignore its bylaws...

You would be correct, of course, if the Foundation had an approved set
of bylaws.  It doesn't.  It has proposed bylaws that I wrote several
years ago, based off of the Python Software Foundation bylaws (with
the permission of the PSF), which were rejected by the Trustees at the
time because the membership and quorum rules conflicted with the
existing precedent.  Thus, there is no "book" to go by.  (Non-profit
corporations in NM are not required to have bylaws to incorporate.)
In the absence of that book, precedence becomes the guide.  For
practical purposes, we follow the proposed bylaws anyway, except where
there is clear precedence contradicting them.

-g2boojum-
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[Wulf C. Krueger]

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Hello Grant!

On Friday, 25. January 2008 16:00:57 Grant Goodyear wrote:
> Instead, we'll follow precedent: eligible voters
> are current members of the Foundation (anybody who has ever voted in a
> Trustee election) and any Gentoo dev who has been a dev during
> the last 365 days dated from the close of the election poll.

Just to verify: That would rule me (having joined Gentoo as a dev on 
April, 9th 2007) out as a potential trustee, right?

-- 
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[Grant Goodyear]

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Wulf C. Krueger wrote: [Fri Jan 25 2008, 10:28:00AM CST]
> Just to verify: That would rule me (having joined Gentoo as a dev on 
> April, 9th 2007) out as a potential trustee, right?

Most likely, yes.  At least, I'd hope to have elections finished before
9 April 2008.

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[gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[Torsten Veller]

* Grant Goodyear <g2boojum@gentoo.org>:
> Also, we're going to need three people who don't want to be a Trustee to
> handle the election.

I'd like to help as election official.
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[Wulf C. Krueger]

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On Thursday, 24. January 2008 20:24:10 Alec Warner wrote:
> Wulf Krueger (philantrop) # I think you have been here long enough

I'm afraid, I haven't. Thanks for nominating me, though. :-)

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

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On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 10:30 -0600, Grant Goodyear wrote:
> Wulf C. Krueger wrote: [Fri Jan 25 2008, 10:28:00AM CST]
> > Just to verify: That would rule me (having joined Gentoo as a dev on 
> > April, 9th 2007) out as a potential trustee, right?
> 
> Most likely, yes.  At least, I'd hope to have elections finished before
> 9 April 2008.

Maybe he could be an election official?

Does that interest you at all Wulf?

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[Square Bottle]

I don't mean to ask a thorny question, but I'm not really sure how I
could phrase it better. Am I correct in understanding that the general
community can't be a part of any of this stuff at all?
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

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On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 13:36 -0800, Square Bottle wrote:
> I don't mean to ask a thorny question, but I'm not really sure how I
> could phrase it better. Am I correct in understanding that the general
> community can't be a part of any of this stuff at all?

The general community won't have a direct vote. But I am not sure that's
anything new. The community is welcome to voice their opinions, etc.
Hopefully if they do so, their thoughts and request will be reflected in
any developers votes.

Keep in mind developers aren't completely selfish. We do think about our
users, and keep the communities best interest in mind. While expressing
our own opinions based on experience, and ultimately being the ones
responsible, doing the work.

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[Richard Freeman]

William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> Maybe he could be an election official?
> 
> Does that interest you at all Wulf?
> 

I am a new dev and consequently ineligible, but I wouldn't mind helping 
out as an election official.
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[gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[Torsten Veller]

* Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@gentoo.org>:
> I'm a Foundation member.  I say we call this vote, starting nominations
> now, ending the 12th, voting from the 13th through the 27th.  There, now
> it's official.  Can we start nominating now?

See we probably have three election officials now. Wouldn't it be best
to give them the time to investigate what needs to be done before the
election can start, and how much time they need to setup the
infrastructure. They need to get a list of (possible) foundation members
and make sure that every member can vote (current dev or not).

I would expect they know best and will give us the dates then.

Thanks.
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[Vlastimil Babka]

Roy Bamford wrote:
> As I'm not a US citizen, I would like to know more about my 
> responsibilities and personal liabilities were I to be elected, before I
> decide if I can accept.

Would be great if someone could answer this, and not just for Roy but in 
general (no I don't plan to run :)

Also, the election page mentioned in recent w.g.o news [1] says "Nobody 
nominated yet". Does it mean any nominations until today have to be 
reposted, or it just takes time to put them on the page? (not trying to 
push anyone, just so it's clear if people should nominate again or not)

Vlastimil

[1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/elections/foundation-200802.xml

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[Grant Goodyear]

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Vlastimil Babka wrote: [Tue Jan 29 2008, 08:31:00AM CST]
> Roy Bamford wrote:
>> As I'm not a US citizen, I would like to know more about my 
>> responsibilities and personal liabilities were I to be elected, before I
>> decide if I can accept.
>
> Would be great if someone could answer this, and not just for Roy but in 
> general (no I don't plan to run :)

Here's the relevant legal statute:

http://www.conwaygreene.com/nmsu/lpext.dll/nmsa2007dec/99b/14f30/150fb/15188?f=templates&fn=document-frame.htm&2.0#JD_53-8-253

As with all legal issues, check with your lawyer.

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto]

Vlastimil Babka wrote:
>
> Also, the election page mentioned in recent w.g.o news [1] says 
> "Nobody nominated yet". Does it mean any nominations until today have 
> to be reposted, or it just takes time to put them on the page? (not 
> trying to push anyone, just so it's clear if people should nominate 
> again or not)
>
> Vlastimil
>
> [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/elections/foundation-200802.xml
>
Hi.

The elected officials would ask anyone who has made a nomination before 
the nomination period started (today) to please repost that nomination 
to this list again. As mentioned on the election page that Vlastimil 
linked above, all those that wish to accept the nomination must also 
reply to this list stating that.
Regards,

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

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I re-nominate the following

On Thu, 2008-01-24 at 11:24 -0800, Alec Warner wrote:
> I nominate:
> 
> Alec Warner (antarus) # I have to double check that I can run
> Grant Goodyear (g2boojum)
> Renat Lumpau (rl03)
> Kurt Lieber (klieber)
> Markus Ullmann (jokey)
> Roy Bamford (neddyseagoon) # have you been here long enough?

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[Kurt Lieber]

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On 1/29/08, William L. Thomson Jr. <wltjr@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> I re-nominate the following
> [snip]
> > Kurt Lieber (klieber)


 jmbsvicetto asked me to respond again, so....thanks, but still not
interested. :)

--kurt

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[gentoo-nfp] Re: Trustee nominations

[Markus Ullmann]

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Alec Warner schrieb:
> I nominate:
> 
> Markus Ullmann (jokey)

Thanks for the nomination but I have to decline as I wear enough hats 
already plus /me being a member of the german conspiracy, I have no deep 
info what it takes to do USian foundation stuff.

Greetz
-Jokey


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