[gentoo-nfp] Foundation membership, take 2

[gentoo-nfp] Foundation membership, take 2

[Grant Goodyear]

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(Note: I'm cross-posting to -core, but I'd appreciate it if responses
could be on -nfp, since that way we have a public record.)

Here's a revised version of Stuart's suggestion for a Foundation
membership policy:

  * All Gentoo devs are automatically Foundation members
  * Each Foundation member must explicitly request his/her
    right to vote on an annual basis.

I'm sure that Stuart could whip up in 10 minutes or less some sort of
web-based application that our devs could use to register to vote.  I'd
also be happy with the notion that actually voting would implicitly
include a registration to vote.

If at all possible, I'd like to reach some sort of consensus this week.
If you hate this idea and have another, now's the time to speak up.

Best,
g2boojum
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[gentoo-nfp] Re: [gentoo-core] Foundation membership, take 2

[Jason Stubbs]

On Tuesday 12 April 2005 23:20, Grant Goodyear wrote:
> (Note: I'm cross-posting to -core, but I'd appreciate it if responses
> could be on -nfp, since that way we have a public record.)
>
> Here's a revised version of Stuart's suggestion for a Foundation
> membership policy:
>
>   * All Gentoo devs are automatically Foundation members
>   * Each Foundation member must explicitly request his/her
>     right to vote on an annual basis.
>
> I'm sure that Stuart could whip up in 10 minutes or less some sort of
> web-based application that our devs could use to register to vote.  I'd
> also be happy with the notion that actually voting would implicitly
> include a registration to vote.
>
> If at all possible, I'd like to reach some sort of consensus this week.
> If you hate this idea and have another, now's the time to speak up.

As long as the voting implicitly includes the registration to vote, I'm happy.

Regards,
Jason Stubbs
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[gentoo-nfp] Re: [gentoo-core] Foundation membership, take 2

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Tuesday 12 April 2005 16:33, Jason Stubbs wrote:

> > If at all possible, I'd like to reach some sort of consensus this
> > week. If you hate this idea and have another, now's the time to speak
> > up.
>
> As long as the voting implicitly includes the registration to vote, I'm
> happy.

If we do this I think it must be clear that registering to vote holds for 
longer than one vote.

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Foundation membership, take 2

[Lance Albertson]

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Grant Goodyear wrote:
> (Note: I'm cross-posting to -core, but I'd appreciate it if responses
> could be on -nfp, since that way we have a public record.)
> 
> Here's a revised version of Stuart's suggestion for a Foundation
> membership policy:
> 
>   * All Gentoo devs are automatically Foundation members

I'd still feel better if we had a requirement that you were a dev for at least a
year to be considered on the board. There may be exceptions to this, but overall
this ensures that the person will stick around and not disappear. The other
reason being experience with Gentoo over a period of time. I know how things
seem very different now then when I first joined Gentoo from a perspective point
of view.

Unless I misunderstood this and you mean voting rights. If its just about voting
rights, then sure, any active dev should be able to vote if they register.

>   * Each Foundation member must explicitly request his/her
>     right to vote on an annual basis.

Sounds good to me! Will there be a specific process for announcing, or just a
formal announcement on the dev mailing list?

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Foundation membership, take 2

[Ned Ludd]

On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 09:40 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote:
> Grant Goodyear wrote:
> > (Note: I'm cross-posting to -core, but I'd appreciate it if responses
> > could be on -nfp, since that way we have a public record.)
> > 
> > Here's a revised version of Stuart's suggestion for a Foundation
> > membership policy:
> > 
> >   * All Gentoo devs are automatically Foundation members
> 
> I'd still feel better if we had a requirement that you were a dev for at least a
> year to be considered on the board. There may be exceptions to this, but overall
> this ensures that the person will stick around and not disappear. The other
> reason being experience with Gentoo over a period of time. I know how things
> seem very different now then when I first joined Gentoo from a perspective point
> of view.

I'm also in favor of a 1 year minimal requirement.

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Foundation membership, take 2

[Deedra Waters]

I think that  devs, or members should be a dev for a min of at least 6
months before they are allowed to vote. I say this because we've had
some people who have become new devs only to become inactive after a
month or to, or to leave after a couple of months for 1 reason or
another. I remember someone asking in the earlier thread to this  how we
could see how long someone has been a dev. One answer to this would be
to check the new dev bug for that person. We've got new dev bugs on all
devs, accept for maybe devs who have been around since before recruiters
was put in place, and recruiters has been around for at least 2 years.
meaning those who we don't have new dev bugs on have been around for
quite a while.


On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Grant Goodyear wrote:

> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:20:15 -0500
> From: Grant Goodyear <g2boojum@gentoo.org>
> Reply-To: gentoo-nfp@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-nfp@lists.gentoo.org, gentoo-core@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: [gentoo-nfp] Foundation membership, take 2
>
> (Note: I'm cross-posting to -core, but I'd appreciate it if responses
> could be on -nfp, since that way we have a public record.)
>
> Here's a revised version of Stuart's suggestion for a Foundation
> membership policy:
>
>   * All Gentoo devs are automatically Foundation members
>   * Each Foundation member must explicitly request his/her
>     right to vote on an annual basis.
>
> I'm sure that Stuart could whip up in 10 minutes or less some sort of
> web-based application that our devs could use to register to vote.  I'd
> also be happy with the notion that actually voting would implicitly
> include a registration to vote.
>
> If at all possible, I'd like to reach some sort of consensus this week.
> If you hate this idea and have another, now's the time to speak up.
>
> Best,
> g2boojum
>

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Foundation membership, take 2

[Sven Vermeulen]

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On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 09:20:15AM -0500, Grant Goodyear wrote:
> (Note: I'm cross-posting to -core, but I'd appreciate it if responses
> could be on -nfp, since that way we have a public record.)

Yes, it's nice to see how many people actually read this request *shrug*

> Here's a revised version of Stuart's suggestion for a Foundation
> membership policy:
> 
>   * All Gentoo devs are automatically Foundation members
>   * Each Foundation member must explicitly request his/her
>     right to vote on an annual basis.

I still don't like the idea that each Gentoo dev is a Foundation member. The
1 year period allows developers to integrate in the project, find out how
the various projects interact, where the bottlenecks are, etc.

People who are just brought on board for, lets say, managing sys-foo/bar,
might not know how much efforts porting takes, or how documentation works.
There is no way to be sure they know this after a year, but then they have
had all the opportunities to get to know them (which isn't entirely possible
if you're no Gentoo developer).

I do agree on the explicit request to vote (voting members).

Wkr,
      Sven Vermeulen

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Foundation membership, take 2

[Jochen Maes]

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Sven Vermeulen wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 09:20:15AM -0500, Grant Goodyear wrote:
>
>> (Note: I'm cross-posting to -core, but I'd appreciate it if
>> responses could be on -nfp, since that way we have a public
>> record.)
>
>
> Yes, it's nice to see how many people actually read this request
> *shrug*
>
>> Here's a revised version of Stuart's suggestion for a Foundation
>> membership policy:
>>
>> * All Gentoo devs are automatically Foundation members * Each
>> Foundation member must explicitly request his/her right to vote
>> on an annual basis.
>
>
> I still don't like the idea that each Gentoo dev is a Foundation
> member. The 1 year period allows developers to integrate in the
> project, find out how the various projects interact, where the
> bottlenecks are, etc.
>
> People who are just brought on board for, lets say, managing
> sys-foo/bar, might not know how much efforts porting takes, or how
> documentation works. There is no way to be sure they know this
> after a year, but then they have had all the opportunities to get
> to know them (which isn't entirely possible if you're no Gentoo
> developer).
>
> I do agree on the explicit request to vote (voting members).
>
> Wkr, Sven Vermeulen
>
I second this, I also would like to see every candidate to create a
nice page explaining why they think they should be a good trustee.
It's good to know what people stand for.

greetings,

Jochen

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Jochen Maes                     
Gentoo Linux                       
http://dev.gentoo.org/~sejo/
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Foundation membership, take 2

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Jochen Maes wrote:
> I second this, I also would like to see every candidate to create a
> nice page explaining why they think they should be a good trustee.
> It's good to know what people stand for.

Let's see. ... How about, "I stand for dealing with intellectual
property issues and finances."

I think this is a bad idea because what people stand for is largely
irrelevant to a trustee's role, unless they actually have some position
on the things the board really does rather than random stuff like, "I'm
going to be the best trustee you've ever had because I'm so trusty."
That successfully turns the whole thing into a political campaign too,
which is annoying.

Thanks,
Donnie
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Foundation membership, take 2

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Jochen Maes wrote:
> 
>>>I second this, I also would like to see every candidate to create a
>>>nice page explaining why they think they should be a good trustee.
>>>It's good to know what people stand for.
> 
> 
> Let's see. ... How about, "I stand for dealing with intellectual
> property issues and finances."
> 
> I think this is a bad idea because what people stand for is largely
> irrelevant to a trustee's role, unless they actually have some position
> on the things the board really does rather than random stuff like, "I'm
> going to be the best trustee you've ever had because I'm so trusty."
> That successfully turns the whole thing into a political campaign too,
> which is annoying.

On the other hand, what _could_ be useful is a simple background page on
each candidate. Gentoo's getting so large that I'd guess a lot of people
don't even know what other people do.
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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Foundation membership, take 2

[Lance Albertson]

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Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> 
>>>Jochen Maes wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>I second this, I also would like to see every candidate to create a
>>>>>nice page explaining why they think they should be a good trustee.
>>>>>It's good to know what people stand for.
>>>
>>>
>>>Let's see. ... How about, "I stand for dealing with intellectual
>>>property issues and finances."
>>>
>>>I think this is a bad idea because what people stand for is largely
>>>irrelevant to a trustee's role, unless they actually have some position
>>>on the things the board really does rather than random stuff like, "I'm
>>>going to be the best trustee you've ever had because I'm so trusty."
>>>That successfully turns the whole thing into a political campaign too,
>>>which is annoying.
> 
> 
> On the other hand, what _could_ be useful is a simple background page on
> each candidate. Gentoo's getting so large that I'd guess a lot of people
> don't even know what other people do.

Yup, that would be a good thing to have!

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Re: [gentoo-nfp] Foundation membership, take 2

[Lance Albertson]

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Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Jochen Maes wrote:
> 
>>>I second this, I also would like to see every candidate to create a
>>>nice page explaining why they think they should be a good trustee.
>>>It's good to know what people stand for.
> 
> 
> Let's see. ... How about, "I stand for dealing with intellectual
> property issues and finances."
> 
> I think this is a bad idea because what people stand for is largely
> irrelevant to a trustee's role, unless they actually have some position
> on the things the board really does rather than random stuff like, "I'm
> going to be the best trustee you've ever had because I'm so trusty."
> That successfully turns the whole thing into a political campaign too,
> which is annoying.

Yes, campaigning will be very annoying! I can just see all the posts on
planet.g.o now ... ".. and remember, vote for me because I'm cool!"

Seriously though, I'd hate to see this turn into some popularity campaign.

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