From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F21AE138334 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 15:51:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 35B67E081E; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 15:51:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08A4BE081E for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 15:51:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (pool-108-44-175-72.clppva.fios.verizon.net [108.44.175.72]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: bman) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7B258347AB7 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 15:51:17 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 11:51:15 -0400 From: Aaron Bauman To: gentoo-nfp@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-nfp] Questions For Gentoo Foundation Trustee Candidates Message-ID: <20190714155115.GJ22850@bubba.lan> References: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-nfp@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-nfp@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Do4IU1xF/9sod/r6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) X-Archives-Salt: 485d5a92-bef4-4f4c-a781-557800b7d025 X-Archives-Hash: 26ac9b96ffe2e15ffdfda49cbbd75c87 --Do4IU1xF/9sod/r6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 06:17:48AM -0700, Raymond Jennings wrote: > On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 5:12 AM Roy Bamford wro= te: >=20 > > Team, > > > > This is a meta topic to collect Questions For Gentoo Foundation Trustee > > Candidates together. > > The idea seemed to work well on -project for council candidates. > > > > Reply to this post with new questions only. The resulting sub topics wi= ll > > help keep responses and resulting discussion organised. > > Accordingly, I will respond to this post with my question. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > > > Roy Bamford > > (Neddyseagoon) a member of > > elections > > gentoo-ops > > forum-mods > > arm64 >=20 >=20 > Dear candidates >=20 > What are your plans regarding future relations between the trustees and t= he > council? I noted that the council isn't even mentioned in the bylaws While I am not up for election this year, I find it important to discuss the proper organization of Gentoo while disregarding the dissolution discussion= s. This is important to me because I believe the dissolution into a newly form= ed 501c3 with a retained CPA is the most viable, responsible, and ensures Gent= oo's legal governance by the membership (i.e. those devs, and general members) is retained. An umbrella does not offer this. Conversely, an umbrella requires that we inform those interested in Gentoo and it's future to gain membership with the umbrella organization in order to have a vote in the same matters = we currently deal with. To answer your initial question and tread across the hot topic of council a= nd trustees... This should not even be a debate. I initially ran for council before runnin= g as a candidate in the trustee election. Many folks directly accused me trying = to run as a trustee because I was not elected for council. These accusations explicitly stated that I was attempting to gain "power" a different way. T= hey were very childish and ill-thought. Each body serves a unique purpose. The Gentoo Foundation serves as the leg= al representation of Gentoo. This (for non-American's) simply means that they own/defend the trademarks, monies, assets, and any legal matters brought ag= ainst the Foundation. The council drives the distribution day-to-day from a technical perspective. Overall, I am an advocate for appointing the council as the technical body = of Gentoo via the by-laws. If nothing more than just to formalize for the gene= ral public that they are the technical body. As stated in previous mails, some things *simply cannot be delegated* to individuals who are not legally (I will not get into international laws her= e) held liable by virtue of a general membership electing an individual to the board of trustees. This includes things such as COMREL, monies, assets, trademarks, legal name requirements for contributions. I, personally, have no intent on trying to circumvent or "override" the cou= ncils decisions so long as they have no legal implications. We obviously saw the council and trustees work together to pass the GLEP governing Git signed-of= f-by lines. Of course, this document has no legal signifance. It was, of cours= e, a prudent thing to have done and has allowed the distribution to remain prote= cted. That decision should have been adopted into the by-laws first, with a gover= ning GLEP for the technical implementation done by the council. All of this, of course, having been amicably decided by both the council and trustees. One representing the legal interests of the distro and the other the technical governance of the distribution. *These situations are rare though and I would hope adults can work together= to achieve the appropriate outcome* As stated above and told to those who questioned my intentions, I am simply= here to support Gentoo as a trustee. That means, I am an advocate for purchasing hardware needed by teams, supporting the developers (e.g. Nitrokeys), and keeping the infrastructure up that allows Gentoo to be successful around the world. *This to me is an example of how current and future Trustees should conduct themselves* If a Trustee wants to be involved in influencing the day-to-day or technical decisions then we have well-established mechanisms for that and an elected council to decide. --=20 Cheers, Aaron --Do4IU1xF/9sod/r6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEDA48qNrrn8VVVcst4yp5f7HQy3AFAl0rT3MACgkQ4yp5f7HQ y3AiIAf6AyTusifP+R2DxAcwBP6F0/XKBSxb48FejTCf5ClOWisC0b+tOltK7h1f vFznRkLLvJnawsujxE/D6cpmdBwcmt08qhM/SNunLWLYd8C4vc26h8BQDCyPRbZk uyN15zQQZyaU4vJdwB7CruwKlzvm9f9/AMDuL5+nq9qwOerD/mBDscgdyiWGdE/9 R+WBrEZOczmcWio3pEZPilsvPZnwR656o90t5Adlqfgq0l2WEaU4Dh3P7LycQFH3 GMgevQjZ4Rbvr+S7Rr934aToy5RH5irFWy5cU3q4EHVJJELlSuuBQByGKNU+4m+c 9NJuLVy7yCIfq2z8h9rZ44kSoDulIg== =TLP5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Do4IU1xF/9sod/r6--