From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDAC1381FA for ; Tue, 6 May 2014 08:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E25C0E0AF2; Tue, 6 May 2014 08:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55600E0AF2 for ; Tue, 6 May 2014 08:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yYAd1n0010SCNGk56YAd4g; Tue, 06 May 2014 08:10:37 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.13] ([50.190.84.14]) by omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yYAc1n00E0JZ7Re3VYAcN5; Tue, 06 May 2014 08:10:36 +0000 Message-ID: <536898F6.7060404@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 06 May 2014 04:10:30 -0400 From: Joshua Kinard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-mips@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-mips@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-mips@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-mips] Reducing the number of the MIPS supported stages References: <53679ACC.3000809@gentoo.org> <53680A7E.9000209@gentoo.org> <53682856.5040005@gentoo.org> <53688A17.2070509@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <53688A17.2070509@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1399363837; bh=+LMogI4XdBi+hOLWfIThkOw7v68utzaeYSSnO9A9fz8=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=FyMYaMvltEo3me+0BBM1lF5V5bZN9hD6hSqMZyhfHv8Nyos4S0PYraV9WAhfLmpN1 TmgwYocD5gcZjQQ2IR1MvYEEVKocwgQD826q+QRKod65VXezFBE9LxTAzFxEMTuyCu peqh3FL++hPiHD4eeSRX2htyJo5KUS28bmjA4XtrIX8Q62g3GCLJM2iUV4kuBgVqGg EWEYacF0bb2bYq7kSiYChhIlp2XT9fxzKphMqiueNDODBDHPEgMphfZKYtLQdwwXiE 31d8APd9XP0st36xfavO3kztJLuLKm3B1UUge2AT/2umG7yTTRIs8C27ut8wLfdfca JNyFH48zT4rQA== X-Archives-Salt: 2f84d97a-4287-4c9e-ad1a-4d5c5e951acb X-Archives-Hash: d356cee153df132dee186a3362ef8c85 On 05/06/2014 03:07, Markos Chandras wrote: > @kumba: You mentioned too many times that I wanted to "drop" support for > mips3 and mips4. I never said that (I am sort-of tired keep repeating > that). All I said (again) was to reduce the frequency or stop building > them at all. Users can still get an existing mips3/mips4 stage3 and > update themselves Maybe it's just my way of interpretation, but in your opening paragraph, even though you said we wouldn't drop support, you did suggest not creating new stages for mips1-mips4. Given a sufficiently long-enough time, that effectively drops support due to bitrot. Like I mentioned w/ the 2009-era userland on this Octane, I am not going to even try to update that, simply due to the amount of time it would take, even if I figure the IRQ prioritization bugs out. So, my apologies if I read it wrong, but that's just how I see it. > (picking up a random thread) > > Ok thanks for the replies. > > Ok I think it's safe to proceed with the following: > - Stop mips1 builds (we don't have mips2) I'll defer to Matt to chime in to my last message and correct me anymore, if needed, but, I think we'll want to keep either a mips1 or a mips2, but not both. As well as decide whether it's a full stage3 or just a simple stage1/stage2 tarball so people have a base from which to start a port to a new MIPS machine if needed. That can get updated once a year, especially if it's a stage1 which shouldn't take long at all. > - Reduce the frequency to once-a-year for mips3 and mips4. Updating > these stages every year with catalyst will be a lot of fun ;) NAK, At least once every 6 months, and preferably shortly after the .1 release of a new major gcc rev, given gcc's absurd compile time now. Gentoo moves fast, and a lot can change in a year. Anyone looking to work with older SGI hardware needs something to start from, and if a stage3 is too old, it can take those machines a while to update everything. I know most others on the team don't care for the SGI hardware anymore, but it's still the most widely-available MIPS hardware for hobbyists and tinkerers. Otherwise, just e-mail me your mips3/mips4/mips4_r10 spec files, any custom tweaks/changes to catalyst, and any specific instructions you do before/during/after a catalyst build and I'll put the O2 to work if needed. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS kumba@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between." --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic