[gentoo-lisp] sbcl-1.1.2 and other things

[gentoo-lisp] sbcl-1.1.2 and other things

[Andrey G. Grozin]

Hello *,

Things from the lisp overlay migrate to the main tree very slowly. And 
even in the overlay some important new versions are absent. sbcl-1.1.* for 
example.

Today, I committed to the main tree

asdf-2.26
gentoo-init-1.0
sbcl-1.1.2

All this stuff is pmasked. I am not a lisp expert myself, I only use lisp 
to compile maxima and fricas. sbcl seems the best lisp for this, it is 
fast and problem-free. So, I am really interested in having recent 
versions of sbcl in the tree.

Also, it seems that there is some inconsistency in gentoo-init and asdf 
which are available in the main tree; in the overlay, things have been 
fixed. Moving this stuff to the main tree is, I think, high priority.

gentoo-init-1.0 is from the overlay, practically verbatim (I had to do 
minor changes to make it co-exist with 0.1 in the tree).

asdf is from the overlay (version bumped), but there is a problem: 
common-lisp-3 eclass is not in the tree. I simply inserted the needed 
stuff from this eclass to the asdf ebuild. Yes, I know, this is not the 
right thing to do. But it seems that nobody works on moving this eclass to 
the main tree, and this blocks all further progress.

sbcl is also from the overlay, version bumped. sbcl-1.1.2 successfully 
compiles maxima and fricas on x86 and amd64, and everything seems quite 
good.

So, if anybody has objections against moving these things to the main 
tree, please, say so now, while this stuff is hard-masked. If I'll hear no 
objections after some period, I'll unmask it.

Andrey

Re: [gentoo-lisp] sbcl-1.1.2 and other things

[Marijn]

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On 14-12-12 14:24, Andrey G. Grozin wrote:
> Hello *,

Hi Andrey,

> Things from the lisp overlay migrate to the main tree very slowly.
> And even in the overlay some important new versions are absent.
> sbcl-1.1.* for example.

Indeed! None of the few Gentoo developers interested in lisp seem to
have enough time to spare to work much on Common Lisp.

> Today, I committed to the main tree
> 
> asdf-2.26 gentoo-init-1.0 sbcl-1.1.2
> 
> All this stuff is pmasked. I am not a lisp expert myself, I only
> use lisp to compile maxima and fricas. sbcl seems the best lisp for
> this, it is fast and problem-free. So, I am really interested in
> having recent versions of sbcl in the tree.

Maybe you should consider expanding your knowledge of Common Lisp if
you rely on software written in it a lot.  None of the (other) few
Gentoo developers interested in lisp seem to have enough of an
investment/interest in Common Lisp at the moment to even keep SBCL
up-to-date.

> Also, it seems that there is some inconsistency in gentoo-init and
> asdf which are available in the main tree; in the overlay, things
> have been fixed. Moving this stuff to the main tree is, I think,
> high priority.

The only reason CL stuff is moving in the overlay is because some
non-developers, mostly Stelian Ionescu, are interested enough to work
on it there. Unfortunately we haven't been able to recruit any of the
CL contributors.

> gentoo-init-1.0 is from the overlay, practically verbatim (I had to
> do minor changes to make it co-exist with 0.1 in the tree).
> 
> asdf is from the overlay (version bumped), but there is a problem: 
> common-lisp-3 eclass is not in the tree. I simply inserted the
> needed stuff from this eclass to the asdf ebuild. Yes, I know, this
> is not the right thing to do. But it seems that nobody works on
> moving this eclass to the main tree, and this blocks all further
> progress.
> 
> sbcl is also from the overlay, version bumped. sbcl-1.1.2
> successfully compiles maxima and fricas on x86 and amd64, and
> everything seems quite good.
> 
> So, if anybody has objections against moving these things to the
> main tree, please, say so now, while this stuff is hard-masked. If
> I'll hear no objections after some period, I'll unmask it.

No objections from my side as long as you add yourself to the
maintainer fields in some way. Perhaps by joining the common-lisp herd?

Marijn

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Re: [gentoo-lisp] sbcl-1.1.2 and other things

[Pascal J. Bourguignon]

On 2012/12/17, at 10:58 , Marijn wrote:

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> On 14-12-12 14:24, Andrey G. Grozin wrote:
>> Hello *,
> 
> Hi Andrey,
> 
>> Things from the lisp overlay migrate to the main tree very slowly.
>> And even in the overlay some important new versions are absent.
>> sbcl-1.1.* for example.
> 
> Indeed! None of the few Gentoo developers interested in lisp seem to
> have enough time to spare to work much on Common Lisp.
> 
>> Today, I committed to the main tree
>> 
>> asdf-2.26 gentoo-init-1.0 sbcl-1.1.2
>> 
>> All this stuff is pmasked. I am not a lisp expert myself, I only
>> use lisp to compile maxima and fricas. sbcl seems the best lisp for
>> this, it is fast and problem-free. So, I am really interested in
>> having recent versions of sbcl in the tree.
> 
> Maybe you should consider expanding your knowledge of Common Lisp if
> you rely on software written in it a lot.  None of the (other) few
> Gentoo developers interested in lisp seem to have enough of an
> investment/interest in Common Lisp at the moment to even keep SBCL
> up-to-date.

Indeed, this is a problem. 

I'm a CL programmer, and a gentoo (l)user, but I never even tried to use the lisp overlay (how do we do that? I'd have to read the documentation of gentoo).

So, I'm not a gentoo lisp user, and I don't have now (and neither for the forseable future) the time resources to work on that.

Currently, as a lisp user, quicklisp provides the best distribution channel for Common Lisp libraries (it may not be perfect, but it works well enough).


Perhaps we have a egg-chicken problem here: with more lisp developer, we'd have more resources to integrate lisp into distributions (like python or ruby are integrated; distribution package management software is often written in python or ruby!  (perhaps we should write a linux distrubution package management in CL, so that CL would be native on that distribution, (perhaps based on quicklisp), and if we add nice pictures, it could be a success?)), and with more lisp in GNU/linux distributions, we'd get more lisp programmers?


-- 
__Pascal Bourguignon__
http://www.informatimago.com

Re: [gentoo-lisp] sbcl-1.1.2 and other things

[Panagiotis Christopoulos]

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On 20:24 Fri 14 Dec     , Andrey G. Grozin wrote:
> asdf is from the overlay (version bumped), but there is a problem: 
> common-lisp-3 eclass is not in the tree. I simply inserted the needed 
> stuff from this eclass to the asdf ebuild. Yes, I know, this is not the 
> right thing to do. But it seems that nobody works on moving this eclass to 
> the main tree, and this blocks all further progress.
> 

We need to fix this thing once and for all by testing the common-lisp-3
eclass and move it in the main tree. I apologize for the whole mess as  I'm
responsible for this stuff. I'll try inside the Christmas holidays to do
this. Any help though is much appreciated. I'll talk with Jesus
(neurogeek) again, he had told me that he would help, I slowed him down
because I wanted to check some things myself. If anyone wants to step up
and do this, I have no objection. Gentoo shouldn't wait for when I and
people like me will find free time, anymore. I'm sorry to say that, but
working 12 hours/day I can't organize my (free) time the way I want*. I
hope things will become better in the future for all of us. 


Btw, if anyone wants to step up,  and be trained to become developer, drop me an
email or line on irc. I will mentor you if you have the minimal
requirements: sanity (for not breaking the tree), good lisp knowldege,
motivation for gentoo and some time to spend.

Panagiotis.

*I mean, I need time to rest my hands :(

-- 
Panagiotis Christopoulos ( pchrist )
    ( Gentoo Lisp Project )

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Re: [gentoo-lisp] sbcl-1.1.2 and other things

[Panagiotis Christopoulos]

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On 20:24 Fri 14 Dec     , Andrey G. Grozin wrote:
> Today, I committed to the main tree
> 
> asdf-2.26
> gentoo-init-1.0
> sbcl-1.1.2
> 
> ...
> 
> So, if anybody has objections against moving these things to the main 
> tree, please, say so now, while this stuff is hard-masked. If I'll hear no 
> objections after some period, I'll unmask it.

Hello Mr. Grozin,


today you removed the hard masks. However, I think that we should p.mask
them again, temporarily, for the following reasons:

1) the asdf-2 ebuild is not well tested. It fails on make doc if
texi2pdf is not available, also needs sbcl at the moment (try to build
it without sbcl on the system, it will fail). And these, just for the
start.

2) we don't know yet the impact asdf-2 will cause in other packages in
the tree. For example clisp is pulled by xindy pulled by texlive (a
package all gentoo latex guys have in their system). 

3) we don't know yet the impact this update will cause in the overlay.
And there are still people using it.

4) I don't like at all, having these random bash functions in the
ebuilds instead of an eclass.

It's better to work together in the next days and push in the tree the
common-lisp-3 eclass, and also do more testing.

I'm considering p.masking again these packages in the next hours.

Merry Christmas,

-- 
Panagiotis Christopoulos ( pchrist )
    ( Gentoo Lisp Project )

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Re: [gentoo-lisp] sbcl-1.1.2 and other things

[Panagiotis Christopoulos]

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On 12:54 Tue 25 Dec     , grozin@gentoo.org wrote:
> 
> > It's better to work together in the next days and push in the tree the
> > common-lisp-3 eclass, and also do more testing.
> I think the proper thing to do is to post common-lisp-3.eclass to 
> gentoo-dev for comments. They will give 100 advices, mostly about how to 
> shorten the bash code by a few bytes :-), but some advices can be really 
> useful. We cannot move this eclass to the tree without a sufficiently long 
> discussion period.

I think I'll find some free time the next days. Give me two days to check some
things myself and I'll reply here.

> How do I add myself to the alias common-lisp@gentoo.org? I did it long ago 
> for sci-mathematics@, but I already forgot how.

I will add you.

> 
> Merry Christmas,
> Andrey

-- 
Panagiotis Christopoulos ( pchrist )
    ( Gentoo Lisp Project )

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