From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-lisp+bounces-140-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1OPbeZ-0001LZ-ST for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:30:40 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C717E08F4; Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 095F5E08F4 for <gentoo-lisp@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.internal [10.202.2.42]) by gateway1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D4C8FBF00; Fri, 18 Jun 2010 09:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 18 Jun 2010 09:30:13 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=messagingengine.com; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version; s=smtpout; bh=2r/OVjMwH/SK6qOW91mFeLRhQMQ=; b=STBtYQAfioJdFMjp5+U8QeqPznQ81cAG0Rs+x06igxh9cmuu6MlmfJ3h2BOIfcbEu0auYACE87scfSMS4xnbkYmw95geDi2f4St9U7mb4xQMZqR4SaAsiwcYWH52LyIE0iEXWeaNo1exk88HL0eVyQWBvOmxUzsEGVc+AUfQpSg= X-Sasl-enc: umY1uH0q4/kk6Y9TonzyFc8jw8klDBXSWJcHU4+48+X7 1276867810 Received: from [10.10.10.10] (unknown [115.134.227.5]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A28D34DFCC1 for <gentoo-lisp@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 18 Jun 2010 09:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-lisp] [RFC] A couple of ideas From: Stelian Ionescu <sionescu@cddr.org> To: gentoo-lisp@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <4C1AE7CE.6010003@gentoo.org> References: <4C1AE7CE.6010003@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-oLNIQSfnlDO8+A5oWuUV" Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 21:30:05 +0800 Message-ID: <1276867806.24313.67.camel@blackhole.cddr.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-lisp@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-lisp+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-lisp+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-lisp+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Lisp mail <gentoo-lisp.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-lisp@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.1.2 X-Archives-Salt: 2d48c53a-e8f7-4caf-bf4d-16501d714bc0 X-Archives-Hash: 9419ec91e51104beb0f7daaeddafcaa6 --=-oLNIQSfnlDO8+A5oWuUV Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2010-06-18 at 00:28 -0300, Tom=C3=A1s Touceda wrote: > Hello everyone, >=20 > So a couple of days ago we discussed with pchrist about how we will > handle porting almost everything in the lisp-overlay to the main tree. > We need feedback on the following ideas to solve this, so please critic > and comment on this. >=20 > The first idea is to move all the cl-* packages from the main tree to a > new overlay different from the official one, so we can have a clean > start in the main tree. Since most of these packages are broken (meaning > bad src_uri, bad deps, and who knows what else at this point), we > thought that this won't hurt the users. Most of us are using what's in > the overlay (and whoever isn't, please do), but either way the packages > aren't going to disappear they're just being moved, so don't panic :). That's a good idea > The second idea is for mirroring all the tarballs that the cl-* packages > use. Why do this? Well, most cl packages don't have a versioned tarball, > so this brings a couple of problems regarding digests, and basic version > control, so what we want to do is to build a little system to facilitate > this job. >=20 > Here's what I've written about this second idea: >=20 > ****** Start ****** >=20 > The problem: >=20 > Lisp packages' upstream don't name their tarballs with version numbers. > When there's a new release, the tarball digest changes, and then the > package digest fails. That's not always true: some do this, but not all. The problem is more with those that do not do releases at all, and just want you to get stuff from the live repository > A posible solution: >=20 > Build an app that controls when the tarballs are updated and notifies > us about it in some way, and that provides a way of mirroring the tarball= . >=20 > Application design: [snip] To me, using python and XML seems quite excessive. bash + wget + md5sum and some simple text files is a lot easier to deal with Also, there are a few other projects that try to write a package manager for lisp(lispy, clbuild, quicklisp, clornucopia, a couple others that I can't remember right now). We could join forces and have a single point of collection for versioned tarballs and snapshots --=20 Stelian Ionescu a.k.a. fe[nl]ix Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur. http://common-lisp.net/project/iolib --=-oLNIQSfnlDO8+A5oWuUV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkwbdN0ACgkQjWsER8+9ASX9DQCeMkhQs1381IidwRHeF+nHZ3z5 gPQAmQHTeUya971VtkHih6Vopok/Vbel =5g3P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-oLNIQSfnlDO8+A5oWuUV--