From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Ezqps-0000Ib-Jc for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:37:29 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0K7aNnm013409; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:36:23 GMT Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.201]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0K7aMg6025900 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:36:23 GMT Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z3so363736nzf for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:36:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=W8byXPTzktKdL378JbGHEYBPJsdBMXuFbn/zhXAjxd9gjNLNXtxDy4vOobqLGuevUoo6CYKwVECJjZgGmG8EPxDgaB11rD243q/uQDkZgr440Ue3pAYkI3cMHIozhikF/M0YCrgVGgDbBLNpIoIQWakf+HFJGGy8+sbuMwfTfL4= Received: by 10.37.2.80 with SMTP id e80mr1225803nzi; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:36:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.140.17 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:36:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <704cd30c0601192336i3169e359o@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:36:22 +0100 From: Leszek Tarkowski To: gentoo-laptop@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-laptop] amd turion laptop with good linux support (but i run gentoo so good gentoo support is the point) In-Reply-To: <200601190616.42272.mike@kambe.com.au> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-laptop@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-laptop@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <43CD9BB4.1000203@mchsi.com> <19189167.1137598311107.JavaMail.root@sniper8> <200601190616.42272.mike@kambe.com.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by robin.gentoo.org id k0K7aMg6025900 X-Archives-Salt: 0c7975d2-959c-4ba8-8e76-23b6583b0d2f X-Archives-Hash: dc37c7f010b8e5555075b30b63b6949c I would sugguest buing something else than turion-based notebook. Centrino platform is very well supported. I would recommend IBM or MaxData (german company - suse fully supported on some models, you can buy it without windows) notebooks. On 18/01/06, Mike Benson wrote: > OK , I have an Asus Z81K, which is the barebones version of the A2000K. > > AMD64 support works, by and large, well in Linux. When you're only doing stuff > that works, it's a pleasure. > > Don't pan NDisWrapper too much, with a 64-bit Windows driver, I've had minimal > problems with it. Performance actually seems to be better than my wife's IBM > T42p, using the 32-bit Windows driver. > > But, > > * You are critically dependent on the quality and standards conformance of the > BIOS, especially in areas like APIC and frequency control (I still don't have > freq control working, after a year). The Asus is very bad in this respect > > * I would strongly suggest you only get a Turion-based system. My system > (processor is a Mobile 3700+) is inclined to overheat in summer, if I'm > re-emerging gcc or something else particularly large, although removing "-j2" > from the flags in make.conf improved that somewhat. > > * I have ATI graphics (mobility 9700) and it's a pain. The only way I've ever > been able to get a stable X display without artifacts, snow and noise is to > use the binary ATI drivers, which usually lag kernel development, and do not > install nicely or easily (although Gentoo seems to be making a better fist > of it than Fedora or Kubuntu). > > * You will have general problems with stuff that isn't ported yet. Either > because the developers can't get their heads around playing nicely with data > types, and not assuming things (particularly pointers) are 32 bits, or don't > use a recent version of autoconf that handles --enable-suffix (so things go > in lib64), or in the case of propietary, binary only things, because they > haven't got round to doing (or haven't be able to, or won't, do) a 64-bit > port. Flash, and multimedia codecs are probably the biggest gotchas here (and > don't flame me about WDNNS Flash! Like it or lump it, swf is a part of the > web landscape, and sometimes can't be ignored) > > * PCMCIA was unstable for a long while. I haven't tried it lately, but expect > it has improved in recent kernels. Ditto for firewire (but at least that > worked). USB has worked very well. > > * Be prepared to build your own kernel. Be prepared to live inside testing > (enable ~amd64 in your use flags, and sometimes even ~x86 for certain > packages). Even today, running AMD64 is being on the bleeding edge. As a > consolation, most bugs are fixed quickly, at least into testing. > > * I've been running Gentoo about a month, after nearly a year with the machine > running Fedora (Core 2 and 3) and a couple of weeks with Kubuntu > (unresolvable display problems forced me off that). I seem to be rebuilding > or adding some packages every day, but it's kinda more fun than running yum > over and over again. And it was the lagging KDE support that drove me off > Fedora, I don't have that problem with Gentoo. > > Hope this helps, > > Mike > -- > gentoo-laptop@gentoo.org mailing list > > -- Leszek Tarkowski tel. +48 660 861 401 -- gentoo-laptop@gentoo.org mailing list