From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD48D1381F3 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 08:55:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 02242E0AA7; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 08:55:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from virtual.dyc.edu (mail.virtual.dyc.edu [67.222.116.22]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65389E0A9D for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 08:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.3.7] (cpe-69-207-16-110.buffalo.res.rr.com [69.207.16.110]) by virtual.dyc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8C48A74C02C for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 04:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <51C566C7.1030400@opensource.dyc.edu> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 04:56:39 -0400 From: "Anthony G. Basile" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130518 Thunderbird/17.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-kernel@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-kernel@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-kernel@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-kernel] vanilla-kernel sources should not be marked stable for obsolete versions References: <20130621145801.GA5202@kroah.com> <20130622020259.7a411a7a@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20130622001303.GA2278@kroah.com> <20130622024516.3a51911e@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <51C503E6.9080605@gentoo.org> <20130622034728.GB2058@kroah.com> In-Reply-To: <20130622034728.GB2058@kroah.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: a49bd5d4-0f32-4374-a356-65f6b38fcdfe X-Archives-Hash: 7387fcf3b244d91d12b815ffbd0db115 On 06/21/2013 11:47 PM, Greg KH wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 09:54:46PM -0400, Anthony G. Basile wrote: >> The bug where this was discussed is >> >> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=338739 > > Thanks for the link, unfortunatly, things have changed since then, with > stable kernel releases happening much more frequently now (instead of > about ever 2-3 weeks, it's now, 1-2 releases a week. > > So the chance for an arch team to mark anything is going to be tough. > > greg k-h > I've been following, but I can't say I've been following closely. I'm on the stable{,-commits}@vger list and the rate at which this stuff is coming is too fast for human consumption. We could just drop stabilization of vanilla-sources and have people follow ~arch. That might be closer to the meaning of ~testing vs stable in other packages: other upstreams push out releases they consider stable, but we don't consider them stable within Gentoo until our QA team tests. Another reason for dropping all vanilla-sources to ~arch is that we have some Gentoo specific needs that upstream will not and should not accept, eg we are making greater use of extended attributes in our package management, so we need end-to-end copying of xattrs. This means preserving certain namespaces (beyond security.* and trusted.*) on tmpfs for emerge. Gentoo users that use vanilla-sources will loose those xattr values making vanilla-sources ~ with respect to the rest of Gentoo. -- Anthony G. Basile, Ph. D. Chair of Information Technology D'Youville College Buffalo, NY 14201 (716) 829-8197