From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8E8198005 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A787BE07F0; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ve0-f175.google.com (mail-ve0-f175.google.com [209.85.128.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AF72E07E8 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f175.google.com with SMTP id cy12so4149061veb.34 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 11:10:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=TZJcnHOHaBe83qI7dmySkAgeaDDpkaOq8zjZlQ1L5hU=; b=w9izowKX4MDRKcCsWgdqNIc6BwWoyjw+BXZVFdqPABzlIsM8ivM4y67i/YfkamsUDZ UrpYbUNewzGw0D/Lves9zQeTwouhx/Rp+dmaXU9W8Mo8RqBlVJO98lNAg5qPdx0gSKwJ BwfIW8J23RSjvoiaTmTijLbUE4UqnnDqdRWV3HGBUtlZb8v1iaAfOoZLjdCcs6fpf2Ft vLHM3eOJixA+V/BL1zCLY7EUa+H+GaHTokVUsQuFtbTmMcEfCbyQ1KW0lDYoc/EZbvL9 aC4BL01hVV6PdvUjmohElG8ELXYmDauxbnfjmiTvJ/B20xyDlXJwQNCWX0RdkGIQzZXl LwHQ== X-Received: by 10.59.13.197 with SMTP id fa5mr12457698ved.47.1361905856031; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 11:10:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.75.11] (99-110-188-189.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net. [99.110.188.189]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id yu4sm442946veb.7.2013.02.26.11.10.54 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Feb 2013 11:10:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <512D08BE.5090109@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 14:10:54 -0500 From: "Gino!" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130224 Thunderbird/17.0.3 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-kernel@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-kernel@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-kernel@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-kernel] Re: Which Kernel? References: <20130225142608.GA13945@kroah.com> <512B9EF9.7080509@gmail.com> <20130225190007.72dccbda@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20130225190007.72dccbda@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: c8bf0ae1-c341-4181-a5fa-c1c130c4bd95 X-Archives-Hash: 6fc746b0dbad63330d972ae190203b58 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 02/25/2013 01:00 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 12:27:21 -0500 > "Gino!" wrote: > >> Firstly thanks for all your great responses... >> >> On 02/25/2013 09:26 AM, Greg KH wrote: >>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 01:05:01AM -0500, Gino! wrote: >>>> So, it seems like gentoo-sources loves EOL kernels.. >>>> can anybody tell me why this is, it seems like that would be a bad >>>> thing... I always move up to the latest amd64 stable, but 3.7.9 is >>>> super buggy (nvidia and aufs3 complain among others) >>> >>> What is "super buggy" about 3.7.9? Have you reported this anywhere? >>> >> I as a stable packages only, style gentoo user have an (perhaps >> unrealistic), expectation that kernels that go stable have some >> vetting process with all other stable packages, and I can expect no >> failed interactions between things.. this is not yet true with >> 3.7.9... > > This makes the stabilization process unnecessary long; again, it's the > responsibility of other packages to work with the kernel, not the other > way around. We have waited long enough (several 3.7 versions) for those > packages to be patched; and besides that we had to wait for nouveau to > somewhat become more reliable as well, since they did a major refactor > in early 3.7 that broke it for some people. > > Stabilizing more kernel versions but making sure they work together with > other packages is impossible with the limited kernel team we currently > have, remember that this has been just mpagano for a while [1] and that > out of everyone that responded [2] nobody else really stayed around. > > [1]: http://www.mpagano.com/blog/?p=165 > [2]: http://www.mpagano.com/blog/?p=167 > >>>> although I would feel allot more comfortable with something like >>>> 3.4.33!! but its at 3.4.9... >>>> >>>> Do you gentoo-sources folks recommend a particular release for >>>> Long Term Stable ongoing support??? >>> >>> If you have to have something like this, then use the versions that >>> upstream is saying is going to be "long term", meaning the 3.0 or >>> 3.4 releases. But note that new hardware will not work on these >>> releases, so you will be out of luck if you have really modern >>> hardware, sorry. >>> >>>> Thats the one i want to use. >>> >>> Why? What does something like this buy you in a rolling-release >>> distro like Gentoo? >> I would prefer to not constantly use new kernel implementations, >> sometimes new features come out, and I may need some old package, that >> depends on the older feature.. I would like for it to operate >> smoothly.. my most recent example of this would be changes to how >> wireless drivers are implemented, >> the new stuff is great but if my old packages don't work, its no good >> for me. >> I would like an (*slightly) older kernel that maintains security >> patches and maintenance repairs for a long period of time.. > > Then following 3.4 is the way to go, I'll hear for stabilization... > Thanks so much, Yeah if you think its wise, more rapid stabilization on minor patches here would be a great incentive to stay with the 3.4 series.. Gino > > With kind regards, > > Tom Wijsman (TomWij) > Gentoo Developer > > E-mail address : TomWij@gentoo.org > GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D > GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlEtCL0ACgkQ4qXYIPju5+LHeQD/QIUFCGvYgzi9/uxdHvYG1b3J y73Pa040ZtvLf7SsCbMA/0Ejh3oJFk8kObip0YIyX3jORse9of7kbQZ0GWqN7ok5 =u+0E -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----