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([2604:6000:130f:8578:5e26:aff:fe7e:5367]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n11-v6sm4158906itn.40.2018.07.05.20.52.56 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 05 Jul 2018 20:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-kernel] Gentoo Kernel meeting To: gentoo-kernel@lists.gentoo.org References: <8f742ab9-617d-eccf-05a5-2084a23e936f@iee.org> From: kuzetsa Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=kuzetsa@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsFNBFAAvSMBEACekA6f2B5X9zrQGsSvo1hZZ81cNu13WyZy66VS0JKGR17eSONbRN29h8FF sWEdXDnG4l7IcsaGynKkoMZHJKCl75aOW7y68ef7AzGnSabRSQmx6916VwhRrNPzBaAfb4qr 7YhrbX1whf5Rya1M1IWGPNez4QhPxaQBVP4mbE+csKeOEIpKQ2ZYo9q3uGso6rMj4nlh3I9P gVA5w6MX+G7JhcS9xgq/uIPIkZtX6w4xIhG4mfxg4kGARl4pf2eyF/KRCUww9J4geiIgkdMX VNV/jC/imb5GAnrPW9ZLdd5iZa/kUtsW5e/G/VNS0pdDjRABcm9hKeoLE3U8iCCLlu2+vrMM Rr8Ln4LeFg4JQ/Dyg38U8ZG7bu/CcVi3gG3B5m99LdAhiGX+ZgR7gvOzjddLhtIovVPOak7h Owzn1R5Y5H3eCfKfGjVGGdyih7lMxYVlrFVZbeJggk4UkBrOsdqabgx3Yu/fqF6MGlh0bOIt 85w0k/vjzSaa4XfzVh7LIpnGa8OIVrj963fYjYNjPKr2locKINUy4XbsXmgzOwdfQw6VEtno qNqeS3/1I5oWFq3aJUbGaYzQ+ngDUfb2rrRdbCVFkHzX9lCifjQfeBtFLgJsSgkb/k0lby2V 3Hiv/tMpRBq2mYGN0jq7ldm+aN7fKIgR3qJgGWKVD1qJfE24VwARAQABzRtrdXpldHNhIDxr dXpldHNhQGdtYWlsLmNvbT7CwXoEEwEIACQCGyMFCwkIBwIGFQgJCgsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AF Aliujh8CGQEACgkQvk1O/QUpfGdV2A//bswKdn2tFJuvl0aZDOams9pIo8xgAY7e0dhy+m5b ja9rqZgjVQLTnSArxT9sqvdQNobLXTr0+bmhaPoGPWWpUJLNVOYe+hIi1IGOjiIC1eJ5PUIy m9fpVue4ana21t7Vmzqn9s7OP++rtfQg5RxeJsplqH5aZSCE1oPmzoRuQ6hKqdxajDyEPWZq A3nH4I68n5X2z/rHzI/FAVaiK9zkTh4iDHBOjAvcWMgDL4rBrfYre6l/zWay5Am0YAQsWxyx h7fME2j/CoTiiOauj2kvDIQa/OViCFMeGyhhAPRo9h3OYYRc0DpkQuskLCbWk1yWdMSqsjq5 4NcviEN9dnH/VU0HWgrsK4v0n6io7sv9psYYCBgRG2HSurzeDjcTGsf6HgyHdffLvqd6iaFK tQyUQg9kJQInb621Hicl1F9vzIJHWtPy9XMtDA0d1sJi3QEDRntQE76cjfw8iTKytEl20wl/ 5z2ocBujk7SIYwNS/5d2vj+UR1RJS3tQsQ2TYxQeXNKrJa8gXRN6oBGenZRjpor/QvXAnNmu 5vJrYDe5Yz6CJAsnu3Q3dhG43IGgcX9xDQPk3lK8uBnqMVGs9XWQaIOFT+eAl8e0Rrw0mrW4 S52AtWbtwnShKvn4/lbcLi1eU7+n6SaAH0+OUWB1JTT7lrIQlU+EqrdsOEeNapYvgDjOwU0E UAC9IwEQAJzB6UZ2XQSp7EVz/nxD5u1nzkh0WJDV5E3Xtg8JD1EdcI+ivJ9mosqw2C92ofPP NhBY3kOszJHWEZWTJL5tDsBReKzDFbJL+W/gc58d7eyu2OJ6vnKmCQhNgsqj5gHQGE0pk81s WUgQqmXYG9U3/XDHlitv32MLARtqgQrHLWqg8hyudU9+eMe15nT1VAdmCkhjMxGBkD1HFl4A iv72wKcuT1RutPCDpvPu3X9h69l49SW8ZyPqJ61MlAqncAMGPdS5VmW9g8rBp8Nb69A+6Gs0 yhuiK9WbQvtDpkiic2GnXESHGCO3E9PjusIlfoIFt5ItGSY8P3B98AAlReEgO7eAPDX2RstR vlSD1/w5KH/pb2nqYN/kXuj944otXDPGJtZcZPmgeSBmuSNNLdTU4JlcUQTSqgy2QqPdEow5 rQAYgb+4zR29GYd8tngSLqbudB6fZwM1g4arTCelR87Owqch3AnPLTZBJYyq7hK6pTTCm6tb Vh1ypiFAazB8K0A75k8Mr/p2KozhvCQNPM5bGxlSlBoCuNbmBVSn2P1KEzximuPSz4fxFup2 ujwYqfqMDr2iMCkPuSwj+vx268PJY6uF4itQv933PhXZQQmo4k34jyypRW3RGxI3s9yblbIr NBqfqnXeJE0fIzjrXYX74zARBpNBIzUUyOjsf9ISK2T5ABEBAAHCwV8EGAECAAkFAlAAvSMC GwwACgkQvk1O/QUpfGezNg/9FN+3xGSrCloBDimKrt1LfXQ1abE3eKDU3/auVHqxhMjFCuvY UPbWH8PBnokDhtE5ynh6lmua9lGpiOwUDt82voebvUbtxT+axk3VOqb9cjc5CYbZ4o2xi7k4 Rj0AtEYdALrpR7J80P7lELj7AHP/4J+tVmg/WuSK9j5NpgOpJzLYqe5cgManNxcfFBZ/VJ79 afecej1CGLGUeYsVjyATReC6ApkvuKdnWNlyoyMrz/13RYSusJEy7laYZgEHU4VmwzFdkB3q wjXUguJWHOZxgKo5Pt+melMgQsNYRmZq2XrYM7gDOc7xBOP6m4HjHVasqEtn99HEBdW9CB3j Ed1eGXWq/4EEGUKsDz29uztGddL5LLU5JH8Ls6zjEOYBxQak+lYQQc5ZQpOBANY0odK4j6Pb 1ZOrsV517BNEohTSgrKBSKQnv59ta57HRtO7zDyFsUqi9awcrmdXL0XaTcmd91BlYv5vLFVr Vqrn1qI56nWqcsIks0AWjF+4VIjxBFXBHK6u4H79p/c1+NT7ZP0TuGaBKU9QAK7HO7Z44qMs 2MC7fgUG/1U6qyRM/SMjCkkegoVBBZGVcksppU3S8KUGnWWp6BGx0tBtTRtna5hZSsdbMsQ+ GtaknVtVoWgjK0uF0voQqTHmeF+ZhOqwV1+SaTnj8n6JNd2O+dkFREkq4s8= Message-ID: <17a7d18a-e446-646c-d9f2-3aa8bf0f2eb1@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 23:52:56 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-kernel@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-kernel@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 6b302d5b-3a99-4223-b8e1-3b8d45af03c3 X-Archives-Hash: 8699ea02c6f7c1b54867fd59d227ce90 On 07/05/2018 07:03 AM, Alice Ferrazzi wrote: > Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity. > > On Thu, 5 Jul 2018, 19:51 M. J. Everitt, wrote: > { ~pruned~ } >> I'd like to discuss the possibility of harmonising the bumping and >> stabilisation process across the currently maintained source packages, >> so that, in principle, whilst they may not be fully supported via >> Security Team (we already have disclaimers for this), users choosing to >> opt for, eg. ck-sources, would know that because 90% of the code-base >> has been 'approved' via gentoo-sources (upstream + gentoo patches) that >> any discrepancy due to failure could be quickly narrowed down to the >> patchset, and the relevant maintainer can choose to pursue with their >> specific upstream. The extent to which this is feasible can be debated, >> but if we can establish a basic procedure that is, eg. automated, >> perhaps individual maintainers will want to 'pitch in' if the effort >> required is minimal enough. >> The objective would be to create a obvious 'choice' of "known-good"ish >> kernels that any user could choose from, whilst preserving maintainer >> workflow separation, etc. >> > > not sure to have understand correctly. > you want to stabilize also ck-sources? > there is not only the new patchset but is also using different kernel > eclass function. > I think when we can do stabilization from the Gentoo kernel ci starting to > stabilize also other sources would be a path to consider. > > thanks, > Alice > I'd prefer waiting until QA / CI is solid before any discussion to stabilize sys-kernel/ck-sources. I'm not opposed per-se, but there's only so much testing I can do on my own (this is why I need to know the QA / CI tools are working well for several months I think). If there's sufficient testing (to know when things are stable) then sure, I think it might be okay to try for in 1st or 2nd quarter 2019. 3rd quarter 2018 I'm still "spread thin", and my availability is limited this weekend. In the meantime I'll do what I can to familiarize myself with lava. I'll be using my own infrastructure for testing, and hope to have some practical experience and ideas by the end of July. -- kuza