From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HfiiV-00079i-5O for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:31:27 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3MKUf4N018332; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:30:41 GMT Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3MKUcHx018326 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:30:38 GMT Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id z38so1161477ugc for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:30:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PZ5kVM0yvc/ZnGvv9TTb/lgt8JZ2l0L+ejPOvoTO28gjyVbxcZ4KKzztIKMf+e+LcK1eYRuSj7MZWrAF5MjlO5yRZBLllsq5jNJgbfJntCLOJVTtTe3ygYY5If8zr1dsOZI6NxEwDUCHr4LScXk8nObPir6VDC8o9NNHTZtK/M4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rR2QoBxlbVklAxhaM/NesS7dRzDVND/CQsiwzA8E6VTzDOvGL8grnbh7qj8jqlMtaZmLdUn+xqlqDo1IiWDG3EGixuiWBRimJID2w2FvO5h+5Jqggj2SL2TKY1YJFoihqmy0TXyIBWUvlJv7YYI64MveGmUQMi/Sdn4j3v4yous= Received: by 10.67.116.18 with SMTP id t18mr4412938ugm.1177273837713; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.43.6 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:30:37 +0100 From: "robert burrell donkin" To: gentoo-java@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-java] Want to affect how JSRs are developed? In-Reply-To: <1177266176.32607.5.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-java@gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4628E974.6030500@gentoo.org> <1177266176.32607.5.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com> X-Archives-Salt: 5a1f6975-92e3-4368-831d-f65b57cb7b9d X-Archives-Hash: 863214ad5a5595c150b02c862133d6cc On 4/22/07, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Sun, 2007-04-22 at 18:48 +0100, robert burrell donkin wrote: > > > > the governance issues raised by the apache open letter are still > > outstanding and unresolved. the story of the first decade of the JCP > > has very much been intertwined with the story of jakarta and the > > relationship between apache and sun. it's unclear ATM whether this > > relationship will survive. > > From what I have seen and heard that relationship ended some time ago. I > do not believe any Sun peeps are committing to apache/jakarta projects. jakarta has been split into top level projects there is plenty of activity elsewhere at apache involving committers with links to sun. see for example http://incubator.apache.org/projects/river.html, http://db.apache.org/jdo/, http://shale.apache.org/ (i could do on but won't). however, i'm not sure how many of those work on apache code as part of their job. > From poking around glassfish-servlet-api seems to be based on jakarta > tomcat sources, which is basically Tomcat 4.x(maybe 5.0.x, surely not > 5.5.x). that doesn't surprise me > Since Tomcat as of 4.x was the official reference implementation of > servlet 2.3/jsp 1.2 api's. But not clear if that's the case for 5.0 or > 5.x 2.4/2.0, and surely not with 6.x 2.5/2.1. J2EE1.4 (2.4) RI contains tomcat but i don't think there's a separate RI for the servlet container specification > Seems there were some differences there amongst developers, and it has > been pretty much completely severed. most of the 3.x/4.x tomcat developers have moved onto new open source projects. i don't know of any who are working on servlet containers anymore outside apache. > I also noticed in glassfish some > sun-commons stuff, so not sure if they are duplicating that as well. most likely that's just part of their effort to open sourcing most of their code base > No clue where all this is going, aside from having multiple > implementations for allot of things. But surely seems as if there has > been a fork. the fork really happened back with the tomcat 3.0 donation. the apache implementation has been independent since then. - robert -- gentoo-java@gentoo.org mailing list