Re: [gentoo-java] Want to affect how JSRs are developed?

["robert burrell donkin" <robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com>]

On 4/22/07, William L. Thomson Jr. <wltjr@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-04-22 at 18:48 +0100, robert burrell donkin wrote:
> >
> > the governance issues raised by the apache open letter are still
> > outstanding and unresolved. the story of the first decade of the JCP
> > has very much been intertwined with the story of jakarta and the
> > relationship between apache and sun. it's unclear ATM whether this
> > relationship will survive.
>
> From what I have seen and heard that relationship ended some time ago. I
> do not believe any Sun peeps are committing to apache/jakarta projects.

jakarta has been split into top level projects

there is plenty of activity elsewhere at apache involving committers
with links to sun. see for example
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/river.html,
http://db.apache.org/jdo/, http://shale.apache.org/ (i could do on but
won't). however, i'm not sure how many of those work on apache code as
part of their job.

> From poking around glassfish-servlet-api seems to be based on jakarta
> tomcat sources, which is basically Tomcat 4.x(maybe 5.0.x, surely not
> 5.5.x).

that doesn't surprise me

> Since Tomcat as of 4.x was the official reference implementation of
> servlet 2.3/jsp 1.2 api's. But not clear if that's the case for 5.0 or
> 5.x 2.4/2.0, and surely not with 6.x 2.5/2.1.

J2EE1.4 (2.4) RI contains tomcat but i don't think there's a separate
RI for the servlet container specification

> Seems there were some differences there amongst developers, and it has
> been pretty much completely severed.

most of the 3.x/4.x tomcat developers have moved onto new open source
projects. i don't know of any who are working on servlet containers
anymore outside apache.

> I also noticed in glassfish some
> sun-commons stuff, so not sure if they are duplicating that as well.

most likely that's just part of their effort to open sourcing most of
their code base

> No clue where all this is going, aside from having multiple
> implementations for allot of things. But surely seems as if there has
> been a fork.

the fork really happened back with the tomcat 3.0 donation. the apache
implementation has been independent since then.

- robert
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