From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GM55l-0003mC-Pw for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 15:50:02 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k89FnB0D025668; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 15:49:11 GMT Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k89Fn9ca004533 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 15:49:10 GMT Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.108.184]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k89Fn7bi029111 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2006 09:49:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0J5C0070111VNI00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from David.Herron@Sun.COM) for gentoo-java@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 09:49:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([66.92.11.96]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0J5C00DRJ19VQHHN@mail-amer.sun.com>; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 09:49:07 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 08:49:04 -0700 From: David Herron Subject: Re: [gentoo-java] Re: Sun JDK fetching In-reply-to: Sender: David.Herron@Sun.COM To: Thufir Cc: gentoo-java@lists.gentoo.org Message-id: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-java@gentoo.org MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <42813AE2.7060906@gentoo.org> <1115826068.4333.233901247@webmail.messagingengine.com> <42825462.7020200@fastmail.fm> <1115890826.16844.233965396@webmail.messagingengine.com> <42833248.3000909@kaffe.org> <1115906306.11150.233981021@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Archives-Salt: 73876d9a-b61f-40b1-b7e3-2163a902f549 X-Archives-Hash: a3eb5705582e85082c146eb78bcfa56f Actually we are offering Sun's JDK under a free license that allows any Solaris or Linux distribution to redistribute the binary. I've been working with Joshua and Karl to help/advise them on integrating Sun's JDK with Gentoo under that new license. The new license .. the DLJ .. Distribution License for Java or something like that .. is meant to enable an operating system redistributor, like Gentoo, to easily incorporate Sun's JDK with their OS distribution. The work for Gentoo is in Gentoo's package system now and there are instructions on the gentoo.org web site in the Java user guide on how to install Sun's JDK alongside other JDK's. I understand the bits are still in the unstable branch. You can learn about the license and the program at http://jdk- distros.dev.java.net/ The DLJ was announced on May 16, 2006 at Java ONE this year. I see that the email you're responding to was written long before we announced the DLJ. I just read the email thread you're responding to, and it was a painful walk down memory lane. Of course the DLJ announcement was immediately overshadowed by the other announcement that day. Hopefully between the DLJ license and the imminent beginning for open source Java, that we can put all the past pain behind us. - David Herron On Sep 9, 2006, at 12:07 AM, Thufir wrote: > On Thu, 12 May 2005, Yannick Menager wrote: > [...] >> Circumventing the implicit wishes of the copyright holder ??? > [...] >> The case with JDocs is very different, they do not provide a >> *tool* to >> download/view/manipulates the J2SE API, they took it, and put it >> online >> on their website, which the license does not allow for. >> >> The equivalent of what they did is the equivalent of us putting >> the jdk >> binary in the gentoo mirrors, which is indeed not allowed by the >> license. > > Why does the copyright holder, Sun, not grant the Gentoo Foundation > a license to distribute the binary? Weird territory, but could a > license be purchased from Sun for a, hopefully, nominal amount? > Or, even, why would Sun want to charge the Gentoo Foundation any > money at all? > > Which brings up the contract. I've downloaded and never read the > contract, nor do I plan to. So long as I don't redistribute the > JVM, why does Sun even want a contract in the first place? > > > -Thufir > > -- > gentoo-java@gentoo.org mailing list > -- gentoo-java@gentoo.org mailing list