From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ka4il-0006hb-Gf for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 08:25:11 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DCB80E01DF; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 08:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailfilter9.ihug.co.nz (mailfilter9.ihug.co.nz [203.109.136.9]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532E5E01DF for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 08:25:10 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkQBAIBDu0h2XJ6y/2dsb2JhbAAIgi0vsTWBaYEH X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,306,1217764800"; d="scan'208";a="126073242" Received: from 118-92-158-178.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz (HELO [10.1.1.3]) ([118.92.158.178]) by smtp.mailfilter1.ihug.co.nz with ESMTP; 01 Sep 2008 20:25:07 +1200 Message-ID: <48BBA6E3.3050206@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 20:25:07 +1200 From: Alistair Bush User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080821) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-java@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-java@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-java] [Fwd: [linux-distros-dev] A bit of a reboot] - eclipse X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050204040307050803000907" X-Archives-Salt: e72ce629-ee36-4fd2-866d-149cb51a394b X-Archives-Hash: cda59e1c3c6a11b96e5db6f240f5126a This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050204040307050803000907 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In case anyone hasn't gotten this.... -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [linux-distros-dev] A bit of a reboot Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:06:02 -0400 From: Andrew Overholt To: linux-distros-dev Hi, As you all know, our project hasn't really been a shining example of output or participation. I'd like to change that. What follows are my thoughts. I'd appreciate comments/criticisms/ideas/whatever. Reasons for existence / Goals ============================= We started the project after a few different distribution maintainers found that they were complaining about the same things (builds being difficult, lack of autotools support in CDT, package maintenance difficulties, etc.). The goals at the time were two-fold: 1) be a place for distributions to collaborate and 2) provide tools specific to Linux developers and packagers. Current status ============== We have some Linux-specific tools that are doing well: the ChangeLog plugin and the RPM specfile editor. Jeff Johnston has also told me that he plans on contributing his autotools plugins. There's also some renewed interest in the OProfile plugin which I'm hoping we'll see some patches for soon. So we're not doing *too* badly on providing tools. Unfortunately, little cross-distro collaboration has actually taken place. I'd like to think this is because we all have lots to deal with in real life and in our respective distros. What can do to improve here? Since we all fight the same battles with builds and stuff, it would be good to work together and not duplicate effort. I think we need to do a few things: 1. Make an update site for the tools we have. 2. Have an actual release! Then we won't be the bad Eclipse project who never really followed the processes :) 3. Re-focus on our goals. To be honest, I think the tools half of our project is doing alright. We just need to follow some processes a bit more. It's the distro collaboration stuff that needs to be improved. I think the project that Ben Konrath started -- eclipse-build -- is a good place for this. Ideally we can get to the point where that project produces a buildable source tarball that all distros can use. We can probably aim for the Ganymede winter maintenance release. It will take care of the stuff we all do on top of the releng srcIncluded drops. Also, we can share our common methods of building non-SDK plugins. Scripts to run test suites are also a good place to work together. We need to have a plan in place soon so I'll be working on something more formal than this email. I really welcome all feedback so please let me know whatever you're thinking -- even if it's "you're stupid" ;) . Andrew --------------050204040307050803000907 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8; name="Attached Message Part" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Attached Message Part" Hi,

As you all know, our project hasn't really been a shining example of output or participation.  I'd like to change that.  What follows are my thoughts.  I'd appreciate comments/criticisms/ideas/whatever.

Reasons for existence / Goals
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We started the project after a few different distribution maintainers found that they were complaining about the same things (builds being difficult, lack of autotools support in CDT, package maintenance difficulties, etc.).  The goals at the time were two-fold:  1) be a place for distributions to collaborate and 2) provide tools specific to Linux developers.  We sort of expanded a bit afterwards to also be a bit of a clearing house for --------------050204040307050803000907 Content-Type: text/plain; name="Attached Message Part" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Attached Message Part" _______________________________________________ linux-distros-dev mailing list linux-distros-dev@eclipse.org https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-distros-dev --------------050204040307050803000907--