From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HgUgP-0005dM-CZ for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:44:29 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3ONhWOJ031645; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:43:32 GMT Received: from mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (mail-in-01.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.41]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ONhVQu031592 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:43:31 GMT Received: from mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-12-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.29]) by mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13BB109909; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 01:43:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (mail-in-03.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.43]) by mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC47127944C; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 01:43:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.23.138] (dslb-084-059-017-076.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.59.17.76]) by mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68441312762; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 01:43:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <462D2E0C.6090200@kaffe.org> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:07:08 +0200 From: Dalibor Topic User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070329) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-java@gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: robert burrell donkin CC: gentoo-java@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-java] Want to affect how JSRs are developed? References: <4628E974.6030500@gentoo.org> <1177266176.32607.5.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com> <1177436449.3524.9.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 1fbf4a23-1bcd-42d7-a1d8-c209c732d99e X-Archives-Hash: 2e35f31b6402c79cf6cfee4aab359a03 robert burrell donkin wrote: > apache's position is well known to all the players. however, opinions > from other FOSS folks haven't really been heard. if people can stand > the NDAs, they could sign up as members and work inside the system or > just make a noise (sun is really focussed on GNU/linux ATM). Let's not get too excited: The work on the next version of the JCP is already underway, being carved out behind closed doors between Sun, IBM, Intel, Google, Apache, and the rest of the aristocracy. Signing up now to make noise? You'll all make your merry deals without us being able to influence them, anyway, like you all did before. This current JCP system is the one created by 'the Apache compromise', after all, and no one asked for our input back then, either. What we can do, is to make sure that come next elections we know for sure what everyone's deeds, rather than pretty talk, are on the JSRs they lead, and make sure that those organizations that don't have a clean slate (i.e. open source RI, open source TCK, creative commons licensed spec, open mailing list, wiki, svn, and all that) on *all* their JSRs don't get re-elected onto the EC, and hopefully someone interested in fixing the system does. How about that? cheers, dalibor topic -- gentoo-java@gentoo.org mailing list