From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GMIF4-0006vY-CO for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:52:30 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8A5q5Oj021326; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:52:05 GMT Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8A5q40C009725 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:52:04 GMT Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 10 Sep 2006 01:52:05 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,137,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="296403417:sNHT27841540" Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.7.5a-GA) with ESMTP id GXT52678; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 146-115-26-214.c3-0.abr-ubr1.sbo-abr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO [192.168.1.12]) ([146.115.26.214]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 10 Sep 2006 01:52:02 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,137,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="274038752:sNHT24963668" Message-ID: <4503A81D.4030405@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:52:29 -0400 From: Joshua Nichols User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060730) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-java@gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-java@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-java] gcj, maven, the GPL and ebuild References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090205.4503A66F.0013,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=207.172.4.11, so=2006-05-09 23:27:51, dmn=5.2.113/2006-07-26 X-Archives-Salt: 6fef26b6-e7e6-4bfc-9d29-bad404aab94d X-Archives-Hash: 795bce9d73d03fdee491c4d15c450245 You brought up quite a tirade of topics... I'd recommend splitting them up so we can at least have some focus. Thufir wrote: > I've been sifting through the archives on these topics and would like > a status report on java. stat ;) > > The best thing would be for gcj to catch-up to Java 5, but that won't > be for a while. There are several threads about ebuilds > auto-magically fetching a Sun JRE or JDK, displaying a license and > then installing. That also would be nice in a more perfect world, but > fetching a binary via the web browser every now and then isn't the > greatest inconvenience in the world. > a) I'm pretty sure your sources are out of date. Sun's JRE and JDK as of 1.5.0.06 are freely distributable, as in, they are on our mirrors. b) The method you describe isn't how it was done. You would be prompted to go a web site. You would then have to visit the site, and click through the license > However, even were the Sun JDK easily installed as described above, > it'd still be masked, as I understand, due to some source files in > Gentoo not working with Java 5 due to problems with reserved words. Ok, you are really behind the ball here :) http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/nichoj/2006/05/22/of_java_1_5_and_gentoo http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/nichoj/2006/06/26/the_new_java_hotness http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/nichoj/2006/06/29/update_the_new_java_hotness http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/nichoj/2006/07/01/updated_java_system_and_java_1_5_unmaske > > Then there's the philosophical problem with distributing compiled > classes instead of building a java app from source. > https://overlays.gentoo.org/proj/java/wiki/Why_build_from_source > Finally, I was amazed to read that maven is, apparently, > windows-centric. Very disappointing. > Where was it ever said on this list that it was windows centric? I think this is actualy the first time I remember windows even being brought up on this list. The problem, as has been pointed out in subthread, is that it is incredibly difficult to package sanely. > The bottom line appears to be that java for Linux sucked, got better, > but still sucks and will continue to suck for the foreseeable future. > Yes? > Erm, no? Java on Gentoo is quite good, and will only get better in the foreseeable future. -- Joshua Nichols Gentoo/Java Project Lead -- gentoo-java@gentoo.org mailing list