From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1G7dcS-0005HE-4e for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:40:04 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6VJdPbD014630; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:39:25 GMT Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6VJdO2l020812 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:39:24 GMT Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so917475uge for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:39:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tx7Q/OI23XwkXO4wq/lrs3zA+bbnCNkkl3TWVfwH6pq54OcqIcnFN7ECebTuMyQMqwJft2bvkTCejcv7VTofm/qNdEcF/ogUqzoytIHYsTTgZT37jw2NA0/iLgUONexWIW777yPGYt4tPmz7phjA1pZkzh4YONjF7Oxo4D7WKLU= Received: by 10.65.219.4 with SMTP id w4mr59596qbq; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.3? ( [203.109.239.114]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 20sm9575476nzp.2006.07.31.12.39.22; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44CE5C5F.8000807@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:39:11 +1200 From: Alistair Bush User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-java@gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-java@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-java] Java installation handling not acceptable References: <200607312116.45373.damage@rooties.de> In-Reply-To: <200607312116.45373.damage@rooties.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: f554ebec-d503-4d3a-97e2-a607ef44563f X-Archives-Hash: b9c420876df820b1ba199233e5c380ca Daniel wrote: > Hi, > the installation of Java on Gentoo is the hell on earth! > > - the installation is non transparent > - the java-"help"-utils (java-config, java-config-wrapper) are not acceptable, > because you don't really need them > - the whole solution of installing more than one jdk is bumptious - so not > easy > handable > > This meens that it takes long time to install java and that you need to do > some > terrible thinks (e.g. unmasking some packages ... see > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/java/java-upgrade.xml). > > This is not the way gentoo should go because this is to heavy for the user > (that mostly just wants to install a jdk :) )! > > So I have collected some points _we_ should think about: > - why is jdk-1.5 still under development? > Because not all packages (worthy of being in the tree) compile with Java 1.5. > - is it really necessary to install an jdk-1.4 and jdk-1.5? - if yes, why you > don't need to install jdk-1.3? > there are no packages that require jdk-1.3 to compile. > - gentoo should never make a difference between jdk 1.4 and 1.5 > Why? I certainly make a difference between a amd x86 cpu and a intel x86 cpu. > - java-config should just generate some environment files to set a special vm > - if an ebuild requires a special vm (why ever, because the api of the jdk is > compatible in most points) it should gnerate a warning, that the vm should be > set to 1.x > - it is the problem of the user if there are two java applications which need > different vms (this problem is much easier to solve than installing java ;)). > > > I hope you will not understand this bug as an act of aggression - it should > just help Gentoo. > > regards > Daniel aka Damage > Doesn't the java's project pages explain all this? -- gentoo-java@gentoo.org mailing list