From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1G7dYk-0003bo-Rc for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:36:15 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6VJZbnA005586; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:35:37 GMT Received: from mail01.home.net.pl (mail01.home.net.pl [62.129.252.11]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6VJZaj2016974 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:35:36 GMT Received: from localhost (HELO ?10.0.0.108?) (krzysiek.pawlik.people@home@127.0.0.1) by mail01.home.net.pl with SMTP; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:35:33 -0000 Message-ID: <44CE5B9E.60006@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:35:58 +0200 From: Krzysiek Pawlik Organization: Gentoo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.5) Gecko/20060730 Thunderbird/1.5.0.5 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-java@gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-java@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-java] Java installation handling not acceptable References: <200607312116.45373.damage@rooties.de> In-Reply-To: <200607312116.45373.damage@rooties.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig3CD9AF083F0754035910874C" X-Archives-Salt: 1136ae1d-d44c-423f-975a-2a5044fa096d X-Archives-Hash: aab3660a2cac4cecb0ad4ca76a8edabe This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig3CD9AF083F0754035910874C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Daniel wrote: > Hi, > the installation of Java on Gentoo is the hell on earth! It's a lot easier than it used to be. > - the installation is non transparent Could you elaborate on that one? > - the java-"help"-utils (java-config, java-config-wrapper) are not acce= ptable, > because you don't really need them Just learn how to use them - that's all. > - the whole solution of installing more than one jdk is bumptious - so = not=20 > easy > handable It is. > This meens that it takes long time to install java and that you need to= do=20 > some > terrible thinks (e.g. unmasking some packages ... see > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/java/java-upgrade.xml). The whole generation 2 is not considered stable, thus you have to unmask some packages to get it - it's still in ~arch > This is not the way gentoo should go because this is to heavy for the u= ser > (that mostly just wants to install a jdk :) )! So do it. > So I have collected some points _we_ should think about: > - why is jdk-1.5 still under development? Code built with 1.5 is not backwards compatible (JRE 1.4 can't run it). > - is it really necessary to install an jdk-1.4 and jdk-1.5? - if yes, w= hy you > don't need to install jdk-1.3? Yes - there's currently no code that compiles with 1.3 and doesn't with 1= =2E4. > - gentoo should never make a difference between jdk 1.4 and 1.5 It should. > - java-config should just generate some environment files to set a spec= ial vm NO! It was in generation 1 and that was hell, new stuff is a lot easier. > - if an ebuild requires a special vm (why ever, because the api of the = jdk is > compatible in most points) it should gnerate a warning, that the vm sho= uld be > set to 1.x No, that would break the 'non-interactive' principle of portage. > - it is the problem of the user if there are two java applications whic= h need > different vms (this problem is much easier to solve than installing jav= a ;)). Nope. > I hope you will not understand this bug as an act of aggression - it sh= ould > just help Gentoo. A lot of FUD and misunderstanding, nothing more (yet). --=20 Krzysiek Pawlik key id: 0xBC555551 desktop-misc, desktop-dock, desktop-wm, x86, java, apache... --------------enig3CD9AF083F0754035910874C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEzluego/w9rxVVVERAjwhAJsERxUcAMHgpvNXODiwZ9ApsLepcgCgsJfT yc8ZMBTOlRxvBImdRSBJWAg= =SuNC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig3CD9AF083F0754035910874C-- -- gentoo-java@gentoo.org mailing list