[gentoo-java] Furball

[gentoo-java] Furball

[Andrew Cowie]

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Karl, Josh, and friends,

Given the furball that is erupting on gentoo-dev, I think that you need
to make a very decisive point and make it quickly. I therefore recommend
that you go ahead and merge all the migration packages to the official
portage tree *now*.

They will all be in ~arch, of course. Where absolutely necessary you can
hard-mask, but I think that a slightly less than perfect migration now
is better than getting sucked into the overlay madhouse. That
conversation is long beyond redemption, and rather than wasting energy
getting caught up trying to swim alongside it, just merge your work and
let a wider audience participate in finishing the job.

If manual action is necessary during the upgrade process, well, that's
certainly nothing people are unprepared to encounter. This is Gentoo
after all.

Now that I think of it, this is, after all, "release early, release
often". So pull the trigger, baby: freeze over, merge to HEAD.

Good luck, and thanks for all the hard work.

AfC
Sydney

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Re: [gentoo-java] Furball

[Wiktor Wandachowicz]

2006/6/24, Andrew Cowie <andrew@operationaldynamics.com>:
> Given the furball that is erupting on gentoo-dev, I think that you need
> to make a very decisive point and make it quickly. I therefore recommend
> that you go ahead and merge all the migration packages to the official
> portage tree *now*.
>
> If manual action is necessary during the upgrade process, well, that's
> certainly nothing people are unprepared to encounter. This is Gentoo
> after all.
>
> Now that I think of it, this is, after all, "release early, release
> often". So pull the trigger, baby: freeze over, merge to HEAD.

In one word: YES!

That would finaly bring the scale effect to the long-awaited change
of handling Java in Gentoo. More apt users willing to check -> more
bug reports -> more work resolwing them (on a short term) -> but
finally: a quicker adoption.

Having a separate overlay is a very clean and trouble-free approach.
However, it requires extra work to be used (not *that* much, but still)
and excludes a large number of Gentoo and Java users that could
otherwise help killing silly bugs rather quickly.

I'd love to report officially in b.g.o should any trouble arise from using
the ~arch generation-2 Java packages. Probably with solution(s)!

Cheers,
Wiktor

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Re: [gentoo-java] Furball

[Ivan Yosifov]

> In one word: YES!
Ditto.

I seriously doubt anyone can complain about a set of 
not-so-complete-and-polished Java ebuilds in pmask instead of an external 
overlay.

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Re: [gentoo-java] Furball

[Joshua Nichols]

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Andrew Cowie wrote:
> Karl, Josh, and friends,
> 
> Given the furball that is erupting on gentoo-dev, I think that you need
> to make a very decisive point and make it quickly. I therefore recommend
> that you go ahead and merge all the migration packages to the official
> portage tree *now*.
> 
> They will all be in ~arch, of course. Where absolutely necessary you can
> hard-mask, but I think that a slightly less than perfect migration now
> is better than getting sucked into the overlay madhouse. That
> conversation is long beyond redemption, and rather than wasting energy
> getting caught up trying to swim alongside it, just merge your work and
> let a wider audience participate in finishing the job.
> 
> If manual action is necessary during the upgrade process, well, that's
> certainly nothing people are unprepared to encounter. This is Gentoo
> after all.
> 
> Now that I think of it, this is, after all, "release early, release
> often". So pull the trigger, baby: freeze over, merge to HEAD.
> 
> Good luck, and thanks for all the hard work.
> 
> AfC
> Sydney
> 

Thanks for the input AfC.

Actually, this was already my intention. I hope to put the changes in
today, or possibly tomorrow.

Right now, I'm working on some loose ends. In particular, getting the
user documentation cleaned up, renaming the java eselect module to
java_vm, and converting the wiki 'using migraiton-overlay' into guidexml.

- - Josh
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Re: [gentoo-java] Furball

[Joshua Nichols]

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I forgot to mention... all the updated and new packages will be
package.masked until everything from the overlay is in the tree. This is
mostly so I can incrementally commit stuff, and not effect any systems
until everything is live.

Josh
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