From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1FbbNy-0006Ms-BI for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 10:48:42 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k44AljtB023230; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:47:45 GMT Received: from rasmus.uib.no (rasmus.uib.no [129.177.13.13]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44AliXU000499 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:47:44 GMT Received: from nille.uib.no (smtp.student.uib.no) [129.177.13.20] by rasmus.uib.no with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FbbN0-0004Fb-W0; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:47:43 +0200 Received: from hornved.ii.uib.no ([192.168.1.199]) [129.177.123.4] by smtp.student.uib.no with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FbbN0-0000sI-Lm; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:47:42 +0200 Message-ID: <4459DC39.5060003@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 12:49:29 +0200 From: Karl Trygve Kalleberg Organization: Genoo Foundation User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051013) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-java@gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jer=F4nimo_Backes?= CC: Gentoo Java Subject: Re: [gentoo-java] Why Netbeans 5.0 isn't available trough portage yet? References: <445945B4.9040304@yahoo.com.br> In-Reply-To: <445945B4.9040304@yahoo.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-checked-clean: by exiscan on rasmus X-Scanner: 03466d9ede4c1581b4f024295213e661 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: -9.4 hits, 8.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; -9.0 Message received from UIB -0.4 Did not pass through any untrusted hosts Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by robin.gentoo.org id k44Aljtb023230 X-Archives-Salt: 9b657587-c4bc-41bc-9dad-781d2204f9a3 X-Archives-Hash: 73f0f556f467d7c2aa08a9faf01f6b33 Jer=F4nimo Backes wrote: > Can someone answer that, please? >=20 > Netbeans 5 was released 3 or 4 months ago, and yet it is still not > available to install trough portage (the same for Netbeans 4.5, that > never appeared into portage, even 1 year after its release) >=20 > Is there some reason for this? Funny you should mention this. We've been in contact with Roman Strobl from Sun lately, who's been very anxious about us making NetBeans 5.0 available in Portage. What Greg says about the freeze and our state of being understaffed is of course correct, and are the main reasons. There is another, however, that makes us downprioritize NetBeans: it has a lot of painful dependencies. If you look at the dependency graph of NetBeans 4.1, you will see that it depends on JMX, JAF, JavaMail, JIMI and a few other packages that we cannot package properly, because we don't have a redistribution license. This means that in order to install NetBeans, a user needs to manually download about six different packages from the Sun website *and* register hirself (JMX requires registration). This is very painful. What's more painful is that the upstream availability of these packages changes; now and again, the files are replaced and old versions are no longer downloadable. Even worse, the binary content of the file may change, but the filename stays the same. This kills our md5sum verificati= on. For these reasons, we simply cannot afford to spend the time maintaining the package properly -- maintenance of the dependencies is the killer -- and that's also why NetBeans 4.0 and 4.1 are only in ~arch. Now the good news: Sun has recently relicensed everything we need to package this properly, except JavaHelp and JMX. I have on good authority that they're trying to liberate JavaHelp, and possibly also JMX. If so, NetBeans 5.0 will be nicely packaged and moved into stable as soon as our 1.5 migration is over. Also: If you have a particular interest in helping out with NetBeans 5.0, please say so, and you can start testing/hacking on our current 5.0 ebuild that's in our experimental overlay. -- Karl T --=20 gentoo-java@gentoo.org mailing list