[gentoo-java] Why Netbeans 5.0 isn't available trough portage yet?

[gentoo-java] Why Netbeans 5.0 isn't available trough portage yet?

[Jerônimo Backes]

Can someone answer that, please?

Netbeans 5 was released 3 or 4 months ago, and yet it is still not 
available to install trough portage (the same for Netbeans 4.5, that 
never appeared into portage, even 1 year after its release)

Is there some reason for this?

		
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Re: [gentoo-java] Why Netbeans 5.0 isn't available trough portage yet?

[Greg Tassone]

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On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 21:07 -0300, Jerônimo Backes wrote:
> Can someone answer that, please?
> 
> Netbeans 5 was released 3 or 4 months ago, and yet it is still not 
> available to install trough portage (the same for Netbeans 4.5, that 
> never appeared into portage, even 1 year after its release)
> 
> Is there some reason for this?


Yes.  The answer is at least two-fold.

# 1) There is currently a package freeze in effect while the Java team
finishes the addition/migration of Java 5 into the mainline Portage
tree.  This is particularly relevant to why Netbeans 5 is not in the
tree, as the freeze has been in effect for a few months.  I suggest
checking the mailing list archives if you want more details.

# 2) The Gentoo Java team is understaffed and very busy.  This is
compounded with all of the migration work to Java 5 in progress.  This
is probably the main reason you don't see Netbeans 4.5 in the tree, as
this condition has persisted for a while.

Some of us try to help when we can, but we are also extremely busy with
work/life and can only do so much.

When the package freeze is no longer in effect, perhaps you could
contribute an ebuild for your desired versions of Netbeans to Bugzilla
(possibly an update of the existing 4.0 build).  This is the best way to
speed along the process.

~ FCGreg


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Re: [gentoo-java] Why Netbeans 5.0 isn't available trough portage yet?

[Karl Trygve Kalleberg]

Jerônimo Backes wrote:
> Can someone answer that, please?
> 
> Netbeans 5 was released 3 or 4 months ago, and yet it is still not
> available to install trough portage (the same for Netbeans 4.5, that
> never appeared into portage, even 1 year after its release)
> 
> Is there some reason for this?

Funny you should mention this. We've been in contact with Roman Strobl
from Sun lately, who's been very anxious about us making NetBeans 5.0
available in Portage.

What Greg says about the freeze and our state of being understaffed is
of course correct, and are the main reasons.

There is another, however, that makes us downprioritize NetBeans: it has
a lot of painful dependencies. If you look at the dependency graph of
NetBeans 4.1, you will see that it depends on JMX, JAF, JavaMail, JIMI
and a few other packages that we cannot package properly, because we
don't have a redistribution license.

This means that in order to install NetBeans, a user needs to manually
download about six different packages from the Sun website *and*
register hirself (JMX requires registration). This is very painful.

What's more painful is that the upstream availability of these packages
changes; now and again, the files are replaced and old versions are no
longer downloadable. Even worse, the binary content of the file may
change, but the filename stays the same. This kills our md5sum verification.

For these reasons, we simply cannot afford to spend the time maintaining
the package properly -- maintenance of the dependencies is the killer --
and that's also why NetBeans 4.0 and 4.1 are only in ~arch.

Now the good news: Sun has recently relicensed everything we need to
package this properly, except JavaHelp and JMX. I have on good authority
that they're trying to liberate JavaHelp, and possibly also JMX. If so,
NetBeans 5.0 will be nicely packaged and moved into stable as soon as
our 1.5 migration is over.


Also: If you have a particular interest in helping out with NetBeans
5.0, please say so, and you can start testing/hacking on our current 5.0
ebuild that's in our experimental overlay.

-- Karl T
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Re: [gentoo-java] Why Netbeans 5.0 isn't available trough portage yet?

[John Manko]

Have those libraries been contributed to the harmony project.  Perhaps 
the ones of most interest should be addressed first.  I'm sure where the 
project stands, though.  You would know more about that.

http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/

Karl Trygve Kalleberg wrote:

>Jerônimo Backes wrote:
>  
>
>>Can someone answer that, please?
>>
>>Netbeans 5 was released 3 or 4 months ago, and yet it is still not
>>available to install trough portage (the same for Netbeans 4.5, that
>>never appeared into portage, even 1 year after its release)
>>
>>Is there some reason for this?
>>    
>>
>
>Funny you should mention this. We've been in contact with Roman Strobl
>from Sun lately, who's been very anxious about us making NetBeans 5.0
>available in Portage.
>
>What Greg says about the freeze and our state of being understaffed is
>of course correct, and are the main reasons.
>
>There is another, however, that makes us downprioritize NetBeans: it has
>a lot of painful dependencies. If you look at the dependency graph of
>NetBeans 4.1, you will see that it depends on JMX, JAF, JavaMail, JIMI
>and a few other packages that we cannot package properly, because we
>don't have a redistribution license.
>
>This means that in order to install NetBeans, a user needs to manually
>download about six different packages from the Sun website *and*
>register hirself (JMX requires registration). This is very painful.
>
>What's more painful is that the upstream availability of these packages
>changes; now and again, the files are replaced and old versions are no
>longer downloadable. Even worse, the binary content of the file may
>change, but the filename stays the same. This kills our md5sum verification.
>
>For these reasons, we simply cannot afford to spend the time maintaining
>the package properly -- maintenance of the dependencies is the killer --
>and that's also why NetBeans 4.0 and 4.1 are only in ~arch.
>
>Now the good news: Sun has recently relicensed everything we need to
>package this properly, except JavaHelp and JMX. I have on good authority
>that they're trying to liberate JavaHelp, and possibly also JMX. If so,
>NetBeans 5.0 will be nicely packaged and moved into stable as soon as
>our 1.5 migration is over.
>
>
>Also: If you have a particular interest in helping out with NetBeans
>5.0, please say so, and you can start testing/hacking on our current 5.0
>ebuild that's in our experimental overlay.
>
>-- Karl T
>  
>

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