From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1F1d36-0002Ce-V9 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:18:29 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0P5HaUw013311; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:17:36 GMT Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0P5HZoR004665 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:17:36 GMT Received: from 146-115-26-214.c3-0.abr-ubr1.sbo-abr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO [192.168.1.110]) ([146.115.26.214]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 25 Jan 2006 00:17:35 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.01,215,1136178000"; d="scan'208"; a="157924008:sNHT24356308" Message-ID: <43D709F2.9060505@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:17:38 -0500 From: Joshua Nichols User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060113) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-java@gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stuart Howard CC: gentoo-java@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-java] Startup advice References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 20ba5c4c-0d27-4709-bd32-f896a222e7e2 X-Archives-Hash: d4b226700c69ac1201a1b1c5078e6515 Stuart Howard wrote: > Hi > > I am a Gentoo user with an urge to try my hand at coding, java seems > to fit the bill as a language that has cross platform appeal and so > on, you guys know the rest. > > My question is this, I want to spend my time learning the language not > the various apps that allow me to do this so what would your > recommendation be for a new starter such as myself. > I seem to have a choice of using either blackdown or the sun packages, > I have read sufficient to realise that the blackdown project was the > original linux port of Sun's Java but Today what would you suggest as > the platform to pick ie. is the Blackdown package well supported under > Gentoo? will updates come promptly when considered stable? or the the > Sun package better supported? and for that matter as a new user would > I be better of with one or the other for a reason I have not yet come > too? > Blackdown is as well supported as Sun on Gentoo, as far as JDK/JREs go. The common belief is that Sun is faster than Blackdown, but I've never seen any hard numbers. Aside from that, they should be functionally the same. > Next up would be an IDE, is Kdevelop good for java or is netbeans a > good choice? again your experiance would be helpful at this stage, the > netbeans site seems to imply that they provide functinality not > available elsewhere will this mean that my code [once I get there ;) ] > be specific to netbeans? or should I go for a fundamentalist approach > and stick to "simple" approach and trusty vim? > I've heard good things aboug BlueJ [1] for an IDE for a beginner. The idea is that you use that while learning the language, and then eventually ween yourself off of it onto a more full-fledged IDE, like netbeans or eclipse. Unfortunately, we don't have a package for it yet. I personally live and die by Eclipse. It has a lot of functionality built-in, in addition to the multitude of quality third-party plugins. > Any Gentoo/general points will happily received > You may want to use ~arch keywords for your Java packages.There hasn't been a lot of stablization going on recently, but this is something we are currently working on. > stu > > ps. You may wonder why I dont just read the websites, well what can I > say but I am doing but inevitablly websites lead to a slanted view, > after all people have spent their valable time to put it up there so > of course they prefer there approach whereas as a list will grab a > broader view on the subject. > > - Josh -- gentoo-java@gentoo.org mailing list