[gentoo-java] Employment

[gentoo-java] Employment

[Gerry Smith]

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Hi All,

Not sure where best to mention this but we are looking for full or part time
help in USA maintaining about 20 Gentoo boxes with JBoss / Tomcat / Apache /
MySql. Must be strong on security. Optional travel coming up (Panama). Could
help with J2EE dev too. We're considering working on improving Gentoo
support for JBoss or migrating to a supported app server, so could be a good
opportunity to contribute to Gentoo during the working day.

More info on request.

Gerry Smith
smith.gerry@gmail.com

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Re: [gentoo-java] Employment

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

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Gerry,

On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 09:53 -0400, Gerry Smith wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Not sure where best to mention this but we are looking for full or
> part time help in USA maintaining about 20 Gentoo boxes with JBoss /
> Tomcat / Apache / MySql. Must be strong on security. Optional travel
> coming up (Panama). Could help with J2EE dev too.

Great, we really have no one working on JEE support in Gentoo. J2EE is a
bit old these days with even JEE 5 being replaced in the next year or so
with JEE 6.

>  We're considering working on improving Gentoo support for JBoss or
> migrating to a supported app server, so could be a good opportunity to
> contribute to Gentoo during the working day.

Excellent, pretty much just dive in. Start taking care of what ever
needs you have. As you progress and interact with us we will grant you
overlay commit access to the various Java overlays. Based on your level
of interest, skill, etc, you can look to move on to a full on dev, take
quizzes etc.

This is our page we point people to as all the normal stuff we tell
people when inquiring about helping out. It's entirely volunteer,
nothing is assigned and things are occasionally delegated. It's mostly
just scratching ones own itches or etc. So what one does or doesn't do
with regard to contributions is entirely up to the individual.

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/java/getting-involved.xml

-- 
William L. Thomson Jr.
amd64/Java/Trustees
Gentoo Foundation


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Re: [gentoo-java] Employment

[Gerry Smith]

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(I should have said JEE 5, sorry)

Gerry

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 2:04 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. <wltjr@gentoo.org>
wrote:

> Gerry,
>
> On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 09:53 -0400, Gerry Smith wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Not sure where best to mention this but we are looking for full or
> > part time help in USA maintaining about 20 Gentoo boxes with JBoss /
> > Tomcat / Apache / MySql. Must be strong on security. Optional travel
> > coming up (Panama). Could help with J2EE dev too.
>
> Great, we really have no one working on JEE support in Gentoo. J2EE is a
> bit old these days with even JEE 5 being replaced in the next year or so
> with JEE 6.
>
> >  We're considering working on improving Gentoo support for JBoss or
> > migrating to a supported app server, so could be a good opportunity to
> > contribute to Gentoo during the working day.
>
> Excellent, pretty much just dive in. Start taking care of what ever
> needs you have. As you progress and interact with us we will grant you
> overlay commit access to the various Java overlays. Based on your level
> of interest, skill, etc, you can look to move on to a full on dev, take
> quizzes etc.
>
> This is our page we point people to as all the normal stuff we tell
> people when inquiring about helping out. It's entirely volunteer,
> nothing is assigned and things are occasionally delegated. It's mostly
> just scratching ones own itches or etc. So what one does or doesn't do
> with regard to contributions is entirely up to the individual.
>
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/java/getting-involved.xml
>
> --
> William L. Thomson Jr.
> amd64/Java/Trustees
> Gentoo Foundation
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-java] Employment

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

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On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 18:04 -0400, Gerry Smith wrote:
> (I should have said JEE 5, sorry)

No worries at all. The common way to refer to EE stuff in the industry
is still by saying J2EE. Habit for most, just wanted to make sure to
clarify the details for others :) Since most stuff for J2EE is fetch
restricted, nearing EOL, etc.

-- 
William L. Thomson Jr.
amd64/Java/Trustees
Gentoo Foundation


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Re: [gentoo-java] Employment

[Petteri Räty]

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Gerry Smith kirjoitti:
> Hi All,
> 
> Not sure where best to mention this but we are looking for full or part 
> time help in USA maintaining about 20 Gentoo boxes with JBoss / Tomcat / 
> Apache / MySql. Must be strong on security. Optional travel coming up 
> (Panama). Could help with J2EE dev too. We're considering working on 
> improving Gentoo support for JBoss or migrating to a supported app 
> server, so could be a good opportunity to contribute to Gentoo during 
> the working day.
> 
> More info on request.
> 
> Gerry Smith
> smith.gerry@gmail.com <mailto:smith.gerry@gmail.com>
> 
> 

I forwarded your message to gentoo-core so that it catches all Gentoo 
developers. Besides wltjr and ali_bush (New Zealand) the Gentoo Java 
project members are Europeans.

Regards,
Petteri


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Re: [gentoo-java] Employment

[Gerry Smith]

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Thanks,

Gerry

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Petteri Räty <betelgeuse@gentoo.org> wrote:

> Gerry Smith kirjoitti:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Not sure where best to mention this but we are looking for full or part
> > time help in USA maintaining about 20 Gentoo boxes with JBoss / Tomcat /
> > Apache / MySql. Must be strong on security. Optional travel coming up
> > (Panama). Could help with J2EE dev too. We're considering working on
> > improving Gentoo support for JBoss or migrating to a supported app server,
> > so could be a good opportunity to contribute to Gentoo during the working
> > day.
> >
> > More info on request.
> >
> > Gerry Smith
> > smith.gerry@gmail.com <mailto:smith.gerry@gmail.com>
> >
> >
> >
> I forwarded your message to gentoo-core so that it catches all Gentoo
> developers. Besides wltjr and ali_bush (New Zealand) the Gentoo Java project
> members are Europeans.
>
> Regards,
> Petteri
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-java] Employment

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

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I realized I wasn't clear in addressing the posting, and just one aspect
of it. Without providing my reasoning, stupid assumptions :)

On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 21:44 +0300, Petteri Räty wrote:
>
> 
> I forwarded your message to gentoo-core so that it catches all Gentoo 
> developers. Besides wltjr and ali_bush (New Zealand) the Gentoo Java 
> project members are Europeans.

I failed to mention in my posting that basically based on the above.
While there are likely several current Gentoo Devs familiar with Java on
Gentoo. I am not sure how many are doing stuff with JEE on Gentoo or
other distros. If they were they would be on the Gentoo Java team :)

So aside from what Betelgeuse mentioned above. Not sure the response you
will get if your seeking to hire actual Gentoo developers. Thus I only
addressed the contributing to Gentoo side of things. Since it was
implied any person hired and/or the company would be looking to
contribute back to Gentoo.

Not sure if you were looking to hire from say the community. Thus the
posting to the list? Not that there is anything wrong with the email
being forward for other Gentoo devs to see. Just not sure the response.
So given the void in talent, so to speak. Which I assumed was more
visible to others; lack of package JEE stuff in Gentoo, etc. Wasn't
really addressing the employment side of things.

What are your requirements, or in other words how can we help? Are you
looking to hire Gentoo Developers, and have them contribute to Gentoo as
part of satisfying your needs, etc? Or looking to hire from the Gentoo
Java community?


Personally while I am in the US, I am self employed. Short of
contractual work. Most likely not something I personally would be
interested in. I don't do much if anything with JEE, just use some
components/pieces. Although I have wanted for a long time to see
support, and effort put into JEE on Gentoo. Since we have little to
none. So far no one has stepped up. Any potential there, I jump all over
it, so hopefully one day. Someone will package and maintain JEE app
servers, etc on Gentoo.

-- 
William L. Thomson Jr.
amd64/Java/Trustees
Gentoo Foundation


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Re: [gentoo-java] Employment

[Gerry Smith]

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Hi William,

Just about to hit the road so just a brief reply,
Primarily we're looking for someone who really knows Gentoo and is strong on
security who can take on our sys admin needs, and streamline how we do
things etc.
- we're outgrowing what we've currently got going on. So I appreciate you
forwarding my post. If someone's interested in doing this on contract, we'd
be interested too.
Like I said we use JBoss, so if they had experience of this it would be a
plus.
I've been meaning to contribute to Gentoo JEE support but I'm just slammed
as it is.
If we hired someone full time who could take this on it could benefit our
company and the community .Alternatively if my time was freed up a bit
perhaps I could.
We're going to need a JEE developer pretty soon too, at least someone who
can understudy what we've got going on so we won't be totally stuck if a key
person is indisposed (and we're all long-time skydivers here!), so right now
if someone's out there who can do both and is looking for a job it could be
a good fit.
The best sys admins I know use Gentoo (and turned me onto it some time ago
[my own background is JEE dev, electronic engineer before that]), I guess
because you have to be prepared to go that extra mile, and I figured this
would be a good place to look.
I hope that clarifies it a bit. Basically at the stage we're at right now we
can juggle things a bit to suit the profile of a good applicant.

Cheers,

Gerry



On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 3:17 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. <wltjr@gentoo.org>
wrote:

> I realized I wasn't clear in addressing the posting, and just one aspect
> of it. Without providing my reasoning, stupid assumptions :)
>
> On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 21:44 +0300, Petteri Räty wrote:
> >
> >
> > I forwarded your message to gentoo-core so that it catches all Gentoo
> > developers. Besides wltjr and ali_bush (New Zealand) the Gentoo Java
> > project members are Europeans.
>
> I failed to mention in my posting that basically based on the above.
> While there are likely several current Gentoo Devs familiar with Java on
> Gentoo. I am not sure how many are doing stuff with JEE on Gentoo or
> other distros. If they were they would be on the Gentoo Java team :)
>
> So aside from what Betelgeuse mentioned above. Not sure the response you
> will get if your seeking to hire actual Gentoo developers. Thus I only
> addressed the contributing to Gentoo side of things. Since it was
> implied any person hired and/or the company would be looking to
> contribute back to Gentoo.
>
> Not sure if you were looking to hire from say the community. Thus the
> posting to the list? Not that there is anything wrong with the email
> being forward for other Gentoo devs to see. Just not sure the response.
> So given the void in talent, so to speak. Which I assumed was more
> visible to others; lack of package JEE stuff in Gentoo, etc. Wasn't
> really addressing the employment side of things.
>
> What are your requirements, or in other words how can we help? Are you
> looking to hire Gentoo Developers, and have them contribute to Gentoo as
> part of satisfying your needs, etc? Or looking to hire from the Gentoo
> Java community?
>
>
> Personally while I am in the US, I am self employed. Short of
> contractual work. Most likely not something I personally would be
> interested in. I don't do much if anything with JEE, just use some
> components/pieces. Although I have wanted for a long time to see
> support, and effort put into JEE on Gentoo. Since we have little to
> none. So far no one has stepped up. Any potential there, I jump all over
> it, so hopefully one day. Someone will package and maintain JEE app
> servers, etc on Gentoo.
>
> --
> William L. Thomson Jr.
> amd64/Java/Trustees
> Gentoo Foundation
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-java] Employment

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

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Gerry,

On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 05:25 -0400, Gerry Smith wrote:
> Hi William,
> 
> Just about to hit the road so just a brief reply, 
> Primarily we're looking for someone who really knows Gentoo and is
> strong on security who can take on our sys admin needs, and streamline
> how we do things etc.

Ok

> - we're outgrowing what we've currently got going on. So I appreciate
> you forwarding my post.

Petteri did that, but I am not sure the response you will get if any
from the current dev pool.

>  If someone's interested in doing this on contract, we'd be interested
> too.

If I had more EE experience I would talk with you. A local RH
employee/buddy has been talking to me about packaging JBoss on Gentoo
instead of Glassfish. I really haven't the need or use for either, and
made very little progress with JBoss.

> Like I said we use JBoss, so if they had experience of this it would
> be a plus. 

We did have some working on JBoss. Contributors, but they might have
become devs. Memory is not with me atm. But they are not in the US :(
Not sure how far along their work is. From source or not, deps package
or not. Pretty sure it's still a ways off of being ready for tree. Much
less stabilized or safe to use in production.

> I've been meaning to contribute to Gentoo JEE support but I'm just
> slammed as it is.
> If we hired someone full time who could take this on it could benefit
> our company and the community .Alternatively if my time was freed up a
> bit perhaps I could.

Anything that could be given back to Gentoo would be greatly
appreciated.

> We're going to need a JEE developer pretty soon too, at least someone
> who can understudy what we've got going on so we won't be totally
> stuck if a key person is indisposed (and we're all long-time skydivers
> here!), so right now if someone's out there who can do both and is
> looking for a job it could be a good fit.

You might want to post in our forums. I think there might be an
employment section or etc there. I don't believe we have a Gentoo job
posting board or project. Might be something to discuss or look into.

I have a feeling you will end up hiring someone from the community. Not
a current Gentoo developer. Which is fine, we have many in our community
that know Gentoo better than some devs. Once you hire them, any
persuasion to

> The best sys admins I know use Gentoo (and turned me onto it some time
> ago [my own background is JEE dev, electronic engineer before that]),
> I guess because you have to be prepared to go that extra mile, and I
> figured this would be a good place to look.

Sure, and if we can help find you someone. We would like to, just not
sure how many are out there with the skillset you seek. Gentoo skillz
yes, JBoss skillz np, both, not to common :)

> I hope that clarifies it a bit. Basically at the stage we're at right
> now we can juggle things a bit to suit the profile of a good
> applicant.

Yes, and hopefully you are able to find a qualified applicant, or more
than one :)

-- 
William L. Thomson Jr.
amd64/Java/Trustees
Gentoo Foundation


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