[gentoo-java] Apache Directory Server

[gentoo-java] Apache Directory Server

[José González Gómez]

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Some time ago I found about the Apache Directory Server [1]. Just one month
ago they released the 1.0 version, and it seems very interesting: you may
have a directory server providing integrated NTP, DHCP, DNS, Kerberos and of
course LDAP services. Has anybody any experience with this? Am I the only
one interested in an ebuild for this?

The Apache Directory Server seems to be integrated in the Geronimo JEE
server [2]. I found that there seems to be no work being done at bugs.g.o[3]

[1] http://directory.apache.org/
[2] http://geronimo.apache.org/
[3] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115506

Best regards
Jose

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Re: [gentoo-java] Apache Directory Server

[Alistair Bush]

Jose That does sound interesting.

At present all J2EE activity is towards trying to package JBoss on Gentoo 
(sanely).  Geronimo is on the list of J2EE implementations that we (fordforg 
and myself)  are planing on looking at.

If you would like to attempt to package Geronimo we would be happy go give you 
advice, either thru the mailing list or on irc://freenode/#gentoo-java

(The above is a blantant attempt to get more worker ants for the J2EE effort).

I personally was considering attempting to package the glassfish project after 
jboss but I may now consider Geronimo (or do them jointly)


Alistair


On Tuesday 07 November 2006 5:13 am, José González Gómez wrote:
> Some time ago I found about the Apache Directory Server [1]. Just one month
> ago they released the 1.0 version, and it seems very interesting: you may
> have a directory server providing integrated NTP, DHCP, DNS, Kerberos and
> of course LDAP services. Has anybody any experience with this? Am I the
> only one interested in an ebuild for this?
>
> The Apache Directory Server seems to be integrated in the Geronimo JEE
> server [2]. I found that there seems to be no work being done at
> bugs.g.o[3]
>
> [1] http://directory.apache.org/
> [2] http://geronimo.apache.org/
> [3] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115506
>
> Best regards
> Jose

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Re: [gentoo-java] Apache Directory Server

[Yannick Menager]

Actually i have an ebuild for geronimo, but it's a binary-based one. 
Should i contribute so that there's something until someone write a 
source one ?

Alistair Bush wrote:
> Jose That does sound interesting.
>
> At present all J2EE activity is towards trying to package JBoss on Gentoo 
> (sanely).  Geronimo is on the list of J2EE implementations that we (fordforg 
> and myself)  are planing on looking at.
>
> If you would like to attempt to package Geronimo we would be happy go give you 
> advice, either thru the mailing list or on irc://freenode/#gentoo-java
>
> (The above is a blantant attempt to get more worker ants for the J2EE effort).
>
> I personally was considering attempting to package the glassfish project after 
> jboss but I may now consider Geronimo (or do them jointly)
>
>
> Alistair
>
>
> On Tuesday 07 November 2006 5:13 am, José González Gómez wrote:
>   
>> Some time ago I found about the Apache Directory Server [1]. Just one month
>> ago they released the 1.0 version, and it seems very interesting: you may
>> have a directory server providing integrated NTP, DHCP, DNS, Kerberos and
>> of course LDAP services. Has anybody any experience with this? Am I the
>> only one interested in an ebuild for this?
>>
>> The Apache Directory Server seems to be integrated in the Geronimo JEE
>> server [2]. I found that there seems to be no work being done at
>> bugs.g.o[3]
>>
>> [1] http://directory.apache.org/
>> [2] http://geronimo.apache.org/
>> [3] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115506
>>
>> Best regards
>> Jose
>>     
>
>   
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Re: [gentoo-java] Apache Directory Server

[Miroslav S(ulc]

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You can attach it here: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115506

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Yannick Menager wrote:
> Actually i have an ebuild for geronimo, but it's a binary-based one.
> Should i contribute so that there's something until someone write a
> source one ?
>
> Alistair Bush wrote:
>> Jose That does sound interesting.
>>
>> At present all J2EE activity is towards trying to package JBoss on
>> Gentoo (sanely).  Geronimo is on the list of J2EE implementations
>> that we (fordforg and myself)  are planing on looking at.
>>
>> If you would like to attempt to package Geronimo we would be happy go
>> give you advice, either thru the mailing list or on
>> irc://freenode/#gentoo-java
>>
>> (The above is a blantant attempt to get more worker ants for the J2EE
>> effort).
>>
>> I personally was considering attempting to package the glassfish
>> project after jboss but I may now consider Geronimo (or do them jointly)
>>
>>
>> Alistair

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Re: [gentoo-java] Apache Directory Server

[Yannick Menager]

I just tried to do so, but i can't seem to be able to logon to bugzilla, 
even resetted the password, but it won't allow logon *sigh*...  Could 
someone please take the files directly from my overlay at 
https://svn.jguild.com/gentoo-overlay/www-servers/geronimo/ and put them 
on bugzilla

Miroslav S wrote:
> You can attach it here: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115506
>
> --
> Miroslav
>
> Yannick Menager wrote:
>   
>> Actually i have an ebuild for geronimo, but it's a binary-based one.
>> Should i contribute so that there's something until someone write a
>> source one ?
>>
>> Alistair Bush wrote:
>>     
>>> Jose That does sound interesting.
>>>
>>> At present all J2EE activity is towards trying to package JBoss on
>>> Gentoo (sanely).  Geronimo is on the list of J2EE implementations
>>> that we (fordforg and myself)  are planing on looking at.
>>>
>>> If you would like to attempt to package Geronimo we would be happy go
>>> give you advice, either thru the mailing list or on
>>> irc://freenode/#gentoo-java
>>>
>>> (The above is a blantant attempt to get more worker ants for the J2EE
>>> effort).
>>>
>>> I personally was considering attempting to package the glassfish
>>> project after jboss but I may now consider Geronimo (or do them jointly)
>>>
>>>
>>> Alistair
>>>       
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Re: [gentoo-java] Apache Directory Server

[Miroslav S(ulc]

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OK, I'll get them into migrated-java-experimental-overlay and I'll also
update the bug.

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Yannick Menager wrote:
> I just tried to do so, but i can't seem to be able to logon to
> bugzilla, even resetted the password, but it won't allow logon
> *sigh*...  Could someone please take the files directly from my
> overlay at https://svn.jguild.com/gentoo-overlay/www-servers/geronimo/
> and put them on bugzilla
>
> Miroslav S wrote:
>> You can attach it here: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115506
>>
>> -- 
>> Miroslav
>>
>> Yannick Menager wrote:
>>  
>>> Actually i have an ebuild for geronimo, but it's a binary-based one.
>>> Should i contribute so that there's something until someone write a
>>> source one ?
>>>
>>> Alistair Bush wrote:
>>>    
>>>> Jose That does sound interesting.
>>>>
>>>> At present all J2EE activity is towards trying to package JBoss on
>>>> Gentoo (sanely).  Geronimo is on the list of J2EE implementations
>>>> that we (fordforg and myself)  are planing on looking at.
>>>>
>>>> If you would like to attempt to package Geronimo we would be happy go
>>>> give you advice, either thru the mailing list or on
>>>> irc://freenode/#gentoo-java
>>>>
>>>> (The above is a blantant attempt to get more worker ants for the J2EE
>>>> effort).
>>>>
>>>> I personally was considering attempting to package the glassfish
>>>> project after jboss but I may now consider Geronimo (or do them
>>>> jointly)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alistair
>>>>       

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Re: [gentoo-java] Apache Directory Server

[Miroslav S(ulc]

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So I put your ebuild in overlay and updated the bug. I have few
suggestions to your ebuild:

1) it could use packages from Gentoo instead of the bundled ones
(commons-cli, commons-logging, concurrent-util, xerces, log4j, mx4j etc.)

2) directories in /opt/geronimo/var should be symlinked to appropriate
places
    suggested locations:
    config -> /etc/geronimo/config
    security -> /etc/geronimo/security
    log -> /var/log/geronimo
    temp -> /var/tmp/geronimo
    these symlinks have two reasons - first reason is the files are
found where they are expected to be (config files in /etc, log files in
/var/log), second reason is that config files will be auto-protected so
they will not be overwritten on geronimo upgrade

We are still busy with packaging jboss so we do not have time to work
on/improve geronimo ebuild but if you decide to work on it further then
we can give you some guidance either here or in #gentoo-java as Alistair
wrote before. You can find me there under nick fordfrog and Alistair is
ali_bush.

Thank you for providing geronimo ebuild and I hope we will hear some
news from you about geronimo ebuild or we will meet at irc.

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Miroslav
   

Yannick Menager wrote:
> I just tried to do so, but i can't seem to be able to logon to
> bugzilla, even resetted the password, but it won't allow logon
> *sigh*...  Could someone please take the files directly from my
> overlay at https://svn.jguild.com/gentoo-overlay/www-servers/geronimo/
> and put them on bugzilla
>
> Miroslav S wrote:
>> You can attach it here: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115506
>>
>> -- 
>> Miroslav
>>
>> Yannick Menager wrote:
>>  
>>> Actually i have an ebuild for geronimo, but it's a binary-based one.
>>> Should i contribute so that there's something until someone write a
>>> source one ?
>>>
>>> Alistair Bush wrote:
>>>    
>>>> Jose That does sound interesting.
>>>>
>>>> At present all J2EE activity is towards trying to package JBoss on
>>>> Gentoo (sanely).  Geronimo is on the list of J2EE implementations
>>>> that we (fordforg and myself)  are planing on looking at.
>>>>
>>>> If you would like to attempt to package Geronimo we would be happy go
>>>> give you advice, either thru the mailing list or on
>>>> irc://freenode/#gentoo-java
>>>>
>>>> (The above is a blantant attempt to get more worker ants for the J2EE
>>>> effort).
>>>>
>>>> I personally was considering attempting to package the glassfish
>>>> project after jboss but I may now consider Geronimo (or do them
>>>> jointly)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alistair
>>>>       

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[gentoo-java] J2EE compatability

[Alistair Bush]

Ok here it goes.  Im sure that this has been discussed before (even for 
packages other than jboss but....)  but im bringing it up again.

[Quote jboss-4.0.4.GA-src/build/docs/readme_j2ee.html]
ADDITIONAL NOTICE FROM SUN MICROSYSTEMS: This version of the JBoss Application 
Server source code is made available in support of the open source 
development process. Some numbered or tagged revisions of this source have 
been tested and found to pass the Java™ 2 Platform, Enterprise Edition 
(J2EE™) Compatibility Test Suite, and you can find information on which 
revisions or tags at www.jboss.com. Please note that since only binaries can 
be tested, source code cannot be described as a compatible implementation of 
the J2EE Specification. The different build environment on your machine and 
any changes you may make to this code could render your resulting build 
incompatible. Because of this, writing or deploying applications to builds 
based on this code can lead to lack of portability. You should instead 
consider deploying production applications on the pre-built binaries of the 
JBoss Application Server that are available at www.jboss.com that have been 
tested and certified to meet the J2EE compatibility requirements.
[/Quote]

Now as everyone can see no matter what we do we will never be able to 
compile/patch etc etc jboss (or in fact any J2EE Application Server) and be 
able to certify that it is complient.  If that takes jboss months to do, we 
dont have a shit shoiw.

So I want to talk strategies for gentoo related to J2EE for a couple of 
reasons.

1)  I dont want upstream(s) hating us because they get lots of "Your server 
isn't workning on Gentoo" or "Something worked on gentoo but not on ...."
2)  I don't want users to be deluded into thinking they are getting something 
they are not.

The solution(s) to this is(are)....

1)  	a) Any source based build have an einfo message stating that the package 
may not be J2EE complient and that upstream will not support this 
implementation.
	b)  Provide a binary ebuild as the official implementation and attempt to get 
upstream developers (even unofficially) to agree/accept the build 
location/layout/etc (so that there is at least a forum level of support).  
Maybe this package could be located just in the overlay (like a J2EE overlay 
with bin packages for each j2ee implementation)

2) 	Be true gentooians and go source but be prepared to not be 
considered 'enterprise'.  Initial include a warning as above but once we are 
a happy with the stability of jboss remove the warning.

Now im aware of why_we_build_from_source and my preference IS to have a jboss 
implementation compiled from source (as you maybe able to tell from the work 
im doing) .  But I also want a jboss implementation that is as true to 
production (and certifiable) ready as possible.  So therefore my preference 
has to be option 1.

What are ppl's ideas, feedback etc etc on this.

Ps.  Im writing this just after a game of hockey (field) so hopefully im able 
to string sentences together.

Ps.   I would also like to make sure that the source jboss build depends on 
the specific version (or very close relatives) of the thirdparty packages 
within the bin.  What are ppl's feadback on this.

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