From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1G7qc4-0001Fq-4d for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:32:32 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k719VVer002216; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:31:31 GMT Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.197]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k719VUZL007914 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:31:31 GMT Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id r21so457083wxc for ; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 02:31:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KPZkh9bzaSs714Qd2tWgFViLQokUq8Z00H8YpbMT8Pi/KHEgEtc+TZ3uzGtxASsMcKLSceQllFP7a17XESpsIzNxltBKol4NlofKg11c5D9GJlyoxruz8iOpeKj+PvzsTMPPt3K0sKE0tuHslR4LlpKvtmyInTdwHOv/5cob2oQ= Received: by 10.70.84.4 with SMTP id h4mr4275112wxb; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 02:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.65.13 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 02:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <254054bc0608010231y7d4b0d17h2d846fe18395303b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:31:30 +0200 From: "Wiktor Wandachowicz" To: gentoo-java@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-java] Java installation handling not acceptable In-Reply-To: <200608011035.13509.damage@rooties.de> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-java@gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200607312116.45373.damage@rooties.de> <44CE5B9E.60006@gentoo.org> <200608011035.13509.damage@rooties.de> X-Archives-Salt: a0421bea-d496-4c73-bdf4-27c3df6b5177 X-Archives-Hash: f0efa9deacd77f119611e3f5b98ab62f The transition period will end eventually. But you're right that the new-style Java installation requires manual intervention Right Now (TM). This is expected with many other packages that are in testing as well. Problem is, Java is a requirement for many people and the (minor, IMHO) hurdles just makes them unnecessarily angry. If one has to use testing versions of packages, one also has to learn how to deal with them correctly: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=3&chap=3 For the time being, one could write a script that could install testing (~arch) Java on a stable profile - adding proper atoms to package.unmask and package.keywords, checking the sanity, etc. But this work would be outdated too some time in the future. It's just a matter of time when these Java packages (and there are about 400 of them in portage!) will become stabilized. The more time developers spend on this goal the faster it becomes reality. And they don't get paid for it, remember. Also, you don't expect to be able to use new-style Java (JRE, JDK) only to find that some ebuilds you NEED for your work do not compile, because they haven't been upgraded, right? I bet you'd pi***d off even more in such situation. So, either the new Java goes in complete or it stays in ~arch until ready. That's my understanding of this matter. Another possibility is just to go full ~x86 for example (which is not such a big deal, BTW). One of my systems (the one I'm writing this on) is on a testing profile, and believe me, the new-style Java is GREAT here :) :) :) There are problems, there are also solutions for them. You have to decide for yourself what will you do with it. Cheers, Wiktor -- gentoo-java@gentoo.org mailing list