[gentoo-java] java, tomcat5, and AMD64

[gentoo-java] java, tomcat5, and AMD64

[Trenton D. Adams]

Hi guys,

How stable are java related and tomcat5 related packages on gentoo with 
AMD64?  Is it safe to unmask them, or should I be installing a 32-bit 
version of gentoo on my system?

Thanks.
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Re: [gentoo-java] java, tomcat5, and AMD64

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

Hi there,

On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 23:08 -0600, Trenton D. Adams wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> How stable are java related and tomcat5 related packages on gentoo with 
> AMD64?  Is it safe to unmask them, or should I be installing a 32-bit 
> version of gentoo on my system?

The only version of Tomcat I would recommend using is 5.5.17 in
java-experimental overlay. It will be added to portage once migration is
complete and added to portage.
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/java/experimental.xml

Should be fine to run on AMD64, or x86. I would imagine other archs as
well if there is a suitable JRE available.

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Re: [gentoo-java] java, tomcat5, and AMD64

[Trenton D. Adams]

Any particular reason you would recommend only that tomcat?

I noticed that project is using gcj.  I have had nothing but problems 
with gcj in the past, on other Linux distros, and I'm leery to switch to it.

William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 23:08 -0600, Trenton D. Adams wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> How stable are java related and tomcat5 related packages on gentoo with 
>> AMD64?  Is it safe to unmask them, or should I be installing a 32-bit 
>> version of gentoo on my system?
> 
> The only version of Tomcat I would recommend using is 5.5.17 in
> java-experimental overlay. It will be added to portage once migration is
> complete and added to portage.
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/java/experimental.xml
> 
> Should be fine to run on AMD64, or x86. I would imagine other archs as
> well if there is a suitable JRE available.
> 
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Re: [gentoo-java] java, tomcat5, and AMD64

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 00:53 -0600, Trenton D. Adams wrote:
> Any particular reason you would recommend only that tomcat?

It's the only version actively being maintained by well me :). Tomcat
5.0.x is old, and upstream highly recommends using only 5.5.x. They do
not want to see any new installs of 5.0.x. Plus most 5.0.x ebuilds and
etc have issues. Not so much during compile or install, but their use of
catalina.sh and etc. Lots of problems. Hopefully any 5.0.x version of
Tomcat in portage will be package masked soon. Eventually removed
entirely, once 5.5.x is added to portage.

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Re: [gentoo-java] java, tomcat5, and AMD64

[Trenton D. Adams]

Do you also maintain sun-javamail-bin?  If so, there's a new version on 
sun's website, 1.4.  The ebuild is requiring 1.3.3.

William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 00:53 -0600, Trenton D. Adams wrote:
>> Any particular reason you would recommend only that tomcat?
> 
> It's the only version actively being maintained by well me :). Tomcat
> 5.0.x is old, and upstream highly recommends using only 5.5.x. They do
> not want to see any new installs of 5.0.x. Plus most 5.0.x ebuilds and
> etc have issues. Not so much during compile or install, but their use of
> catalina.sh and etc. Lots of problems. Hopefully any 5.0.x version of
> Tomcat in portage will be package masked soon. Eventually removed
> entirely, once 5.5.x is added to portage.
> 
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Re: [gentoo-java] java, tomcat5, and AMD64

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 00:57 -0600, Trenton D. Adams wrote:
> Do you also maintain sun-javamail-bin?

Well I am not officially maintaining anything yet ;)

>   If so, there's a new version on 
> sun's website, 1.4.  The ebuild is requiring 1.3.3.

Ok will look into, more than likely end up filing a quick bug about it.
Just needs a revision bump and new url to download from. I am not sure
how or where who ever has been maintaining those ebuilds got that url.
It should get revision bumped sometime soon, but no guarantees on time,
so don't hold your breath.

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Re: [gentoo-java] java, tomcat5, and AMD64

[Trenton D. Adams]

No biggie, they still have the 1.3.3 version archived.

William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 00:57 -0600, Trenton D. Adams wrote:
>> Do you also maintain sun-javamail-bin?
> 
> Well I am not officially maintaining anything yet ;)
> 
>>   If so, there's a new version on 
>> sun's website, 1.4.  The ebuild is requiring 1.3.3.
> 
> Ok will look into, more than likely end up filing a quick bug about it.
> Just needs a revision bump and new url to download from. I am not sure
> how or where who ever has been maintaining those ebuilds got that url.
> It should get revision bumped sometime soon, but no guarantees on time,
> so don't hold your breath.
> 
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Re: [gentoo-java] java, tomcat5, and AMD64

[Calvin Austin]

btw you can also get the 1.4 java-mail jar directly from the java.net 
repository automatically
https://maven-repository.dev.java.net/repository/javax.mail/


Trenton D. Adams wrote:

> No biggie, they still have the 1.3.3 version archived.
>
> William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 00:57 -0600, Trenton D. Adams wrote:
>>
>>> Do you also maintain sun-javamail-bin?
>>
>>
>> Well I am not officially maintaining anything yet ;)
>>
>>>   If so, there's a new version on sun's website, 1.4.  The ebuild is 
>>> requiring 1.3.3.
>>
>>
>> Ok will look into, more than likely end up filing a quick bug about it.
>> Just needs a revision bump and new url to download from. I am not sure
>> how or where who ever has been maintaining those ebuilds got that url.
>> It should get revision bumped sometime soon, but no guarantees on time,
>> so don't hold your breath.
>>

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Re: [gentoo-java] java, tomcat5, and AMD64

[Trenton D. Adams]

Is there any way of unmasking everything I need for amd64 related to 
java?  I'm kind of sick of adding ~amd64 to 
/etc/portage/package.keywords, and I certainly don't want to add it to 
make.conf, because that will really mess with my system.

William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 23:08 -0600, Trenton D. Adams wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> How stable are java related and tomcat5 related packages on gentoo with 
>> AMD64?  Is it safe to unmask them, or should I be installing a 32-bit 
>> version of gentoo on my system?
> 
> The only version of Tomcat I would recommend using is 5.5.17 in
> java-experimental overlay. It will be added to portage once migration is
> complete and added to portage.
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/java/experimental.xml
> 
> Should be fine to run on AMD64, or x86. I would imagine other archs as
> well if there is a suitable JRE available.
> 
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Re: [gentoo-java] java, tomcat5, and AMD64

[Caster]

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On 6/10/06, Trenton D. Adams <gentoo-java@adamsbros.org> wrote:
>
> Is there any way of unmasking everything I need for amd64 related to
> java?  I'm kind of sick of adding ~amd64 to
> /etc/portage/package.keywords, and I certainly don't want to add it to
> make.conf, because that will really mess with my system.
>

I doubt so, package.keywords is the only way AFAIK.

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Re: [gentoo-java] java, tomcat5, and AMD64

[Greg Tassone]

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On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 23:08 -0600, Trenton D. Adams wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> How stable are java related and tomcat5 related packages on gentoo with 
> AMD64?

Due to the lengthy migration project to Java5 along with low staffing,
some of the ebuilds have (necessarily) taken a back-seat.  I believe
this is the case for many of the JEE packages, whether or not your arch
is amd64 (as are most of my systems).

As the other reply indicated, there is a Tomcat ebuild in the
migration-overlay which is reportedly working, but I haven't used it
myself.

>   Is it safe to unmask them, or should I be installing a 32-bit 
> version of gentoo on my system?

I certainly don't think you need to build a 32-bit system.  The Java5
migration is probably a bigger factor in package availability than your
arch, especially for Java packages.  Worst-case scenario is to simply
download the binaries from Apache and "go outside" of Portage for the
time being.

It really depends on what you are trying to accomplish.  What works for
a dev system may not be suitable for a production environment, etc.  I
have binary versions of JBoss running, various versions of Tomcat, and
other packages as needed.

~ Greg


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Re: [gentoo-java] java, tomcat5, and AMD64

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 00:03 -0700, Greg Tassone wrote:
>
> As the other reply indicated, there is a Tomcat ebuild in the
> migration-overlay which is reportedly working, but I haven't used it
> myself.

It's in the java-experimental overlay. migration-overlay only contains
java-config-2, wrappers, eclasses etc. migration-packages are generation
two ebuilds made to work with java-config-2. One must use
migration-overlay with migration-packages.

java-experimental is generation 1 ebuilds. Meaning they all can work as
is now with portage. No changes to system, other than adding overlay to
make.conf.

> It really depends on what you are trying to accomplish.  What works for
> a dev system may not be suitable for a production environment, etc.  I
> have binary versions of JBoss running, various versions of Tomcat, and
> other packages as needed.

I have been running Tomcat 5.5.x on production systems since February.
On development servers since like December. The 5.5.x ebuild and
resulting binaries all should be 100%. If anyone has any problems let me
know, or file a bug report.

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Re: [gentoo-java] java, tomcat5, and AMD64

[Greg Tassone]

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On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 09:34 -0400, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 00:03 -0700, Greg Tassone wrote:
> >
> > As the other reply indicated, there is a Tomcat ebuild in the
> > migration-overlay which is reportedly working, but I haven't used it
> > myself.
> 
> It's in the java-experimental overlay. migration-overlay only contains
> java-config-2, wrappers, eclasses etc. migration-packages are generation
> two ebuilds made to work with java-config-2. One must use
> migration-overlay with migration-packages.

Thanks for the correction.  I think it was too late for me to reply to
anything last night. ;-)


> I have been running Tomcat 5.5.x on production systems since February.
> On development servers since like December. The 5.5.x ebuild and
> resulting binaries all should be 100%...

It sounds like you're referring to your ebuild specifically, yes?  (Of
course Tomcat 5.5 itself has been solid/production-quality for a long
time now.)  This is good to know, thanks.  I may switch over to your
ebuild on various machines in the future.

~ Greg


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Re: [gentoo-java] java, tomcat5, and AMD64

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 11:43 -0700, Greg Tassone wrote:
>
> Thanks for the correction.  I think it was too late for me to reply to
> anything last night. ;-)

No worries, wasn't meaning to a prude, just wanted it straight for the
record. Others sake etc.

> > I have been running Tomcat 5.5.x on production systems since February.
> > On development servers since like December. The 5.5.x ebuild and
> > resulting binaries all should be 100%...
> 
> It sounds like you're referring to your ebuild specifically, yes?

Well I hardly consider it mine. I started to un-official take over
maintaining it around December or so. When I was wondering why it was so
old. Looking to complain, and found no one to complain to. Since I
needed Tomcat, felt I needed to do something. So here we are :)

>   (Of
> course Tomcat 5.5 itself has been solid/production-quality for a long
> time now.)

Yes, but also for the record some Tomcat devs don't like us compiling
Tomcat from source. Mainly because of people running 5.0.x versions,
having problems, and making noise in the tomcat community. Not Gentoo
ones or etc. Not even sure specifically compiling related. Just another
gripe :)

Now to date, there is only one gentoo user (also a developer) who had a
freak weird occurrence with 5.5.x via ebuild in java-experimental
overlay. However I spent considerable time researching it, and seems to
be a issue with the webapp being deployed. Despite it working with
binary release of 5.5.x just fine. At some point I might have to do a
comparison on the specific versions of everything the binary is compiled
and bundled with vs compiling from source on Gentoo with latest versions
of it all.

>   This is good to know, thanks.  I may switch over to your
> ebuild on various machines in the future.

Yes, at least in theory the 5.5.x ones, latest being 5.5.17 are much
better than most others in portage. Only one being actively maintained
to my knowledge. They should be good to go, and as solid as the official
binary release versions. Ideally maybe a bit better since it might have
newer, bug free versions of compile time deps, and bundled stuff (linked
to on Gentoo).

I have not had a problem with any version of 5.5.x compiled from source
on Gentoo. From what I can tell from irc, and etc, there are a decent
amount of people using 5.5.x versions of tomcat via the ebuild without a
problem. If anyone does have any problems I will do my best to look into
and resolve.

Also for the record I am not the official maintainer just yet. Working
on that as well. Still allot of stuff inherited from previous ebuilds
and maintainers. Which will be cleaned up, and the ebuild dialed in a
bit further with regard to permissions and etc. Not to mention some
documentation on it, layout, and etc.

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