From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1FE83s-0006E5-BS for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:50:56 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1SGhNhm019573; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:43:23 GMT Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.206]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SGhITc008962 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:43:20 GMT Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x7so1221155nzc for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:44:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=bIJ4ELhwkpzkpk52bDLSHiFl8Nz0R72HYwcrEdlWYJFKX4lev/S3U3IAoicPtyTomFfSasLEvt2NPf/yCEgz6CW/nt96v5Ef4dwt90PUu4EngW2A2IUN7Kb3NdvwR3mLgokWhaUTE9aUUEDHBy0Wy/uS1Jq7ewI1PG43YUjIEUQ= Received: by 10.64.253.10 with SMTP id a10mr409613qbi; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:44:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.44.6 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:44:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:44:13 -0500 From: "Ashley McConnell" To: gentoo-installer@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-installer] version 0.3 of the Gentoo Linux Installer In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-installer@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-installer@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1274_17382399.1141145053976" References: <44047382.9080804@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: 4e947f0a-92e8-485d-89c9-2292bc881d24 X-Archives-Hash: 61bf4c3ea561e7c54b04efed31c87675 ------=_Part_1274_17382399.1141145053976 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Isn't it intuitive anyways to have the programs selected to be added to use flags? it just makes sense wether or not someone reads the manual On 2/28/06, LinuxMan wrote: > > What sort of attitude is that to tempt new users to Gentoo, or anyone for > that matter. Surely the installer should be aiming to make installation > not > just easier but also easier and better than the rest. Otherwise what's th= e > point? If that's your attitude you might as well not bothered with the > installer and just told everyone to read the manual instead!! I think > Norman > has a valid point and your answer doesn't do his question justice. I'm > concerned that there are potential new users who could add to Gentoo, who > are going elsewhere because of confusing options and attitudes that don't > help anyone. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Gaffney [mailto:agaffney@gentoo.org] > Sent: 28 February 2006 16:00 > To: gentoo-installer@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-installer] version 0.3 of the Gentoo Linux > Installer > > > Simon Stelling wrote: > > Norman Rie=DF wrote: > >> But see it with the eyes of a random Gentoo beginner. > >> You come to the "USE Flags" screen seeing some settings. You think > "That > >> are surely some nice settings. Otherwise they wouldn=B4t be set as > default". > >> But then you choose KDE. Now you have a KDE system with "+gnome -kde" > as > >> USE Flags. > > > > If people are not willing to read documentation, that's their fault. > Being > a > > newbie or a sysadmin++, it doesn't matter. > > You took the words from my mouth. > > -- > Andrew Gaffney http://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney= / > Gentoo Linux Developer Installer Projec= t > > -- > gentoo-installer@gentoo.org mailing list > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.0/269 - Release Date: 24/02/2006 > > > -- > gentoo-installer@gentoo.org mailing list > > ------=_Part_1274_17382399.1141145053976 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Isn't it intuitive anyways to have the programs selected to be added to use= flags? it just makes sense wether or not someone reads the manual

<= div>On 2/28/06, L= inuxMan <linuxman@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
What sort of attitude is that to tempt new users to Gentoo, or anyone forthat matter. Surely the installer should be aiming to make installation n= ot
just easier but also easier and better than the rest. Otherwise what'= s the
point? If that's your attitude you might as well not bothered with the<= br>installer and just told everyone to read the manual instead!! I think No= rman
has a valid point and your answer doesn't do his question justice. = I'm
concerned that there are potential new users who could add to Gentoo, w= ho
are going elsewhere because of confusing options and attitudes that d= on't
help anyone.


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew = Gaffney [mailto: agaffney@gentoo.org]
Sent: 28= February 2006 16:00
To: gentoo-installer@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-install= er] version=20 0.3 of the Gentoo Linux
Installer


Simon Stelling wrote:
&g= t; Norman Rie=DF wrote:
>> But see it with the eyes of a random Ge= ntoo beginner.
>> You come to the "USE Flags" screen see= ing some settings. You think "That
>> are surely some nice settings. Otherwise they wouldn=B4t be se= t as
default".
>> But then you choose KDE. Now you have a = KDE system with "+gnome -kde" as
>> USE Flags.
>
> If people are not willing to read documentation, that's their faul= t. Being
a
> newbie or a sysadmin++, it doesn't matter.

You= took the words from my mouth.

--
Andrew Gaffney   = ;            &n= bsp;            = ; http://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffne= y/
Gentoo Linux Developer       &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;  Installer Project

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