From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1FE7vH-00058z-CS for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:42:03 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1SGbr8d006054; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:37:53 GMT Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SGbqBp000326 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:37:52 GMT Received: from dad (81-178-219-78.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.219.78]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 078C0E0000E6 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:38:48 +0000 (GMT) From: "LinuxMan" To: Subject: RE: [gentoo-installer] version 0.3 of the Gentoo Linux Installer Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:38:50 -0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-installer@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-installer@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <44047382.9080804@gentoo.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by robin.gentoo.org id k1SGbr9F006054 X-Archives-Salt: ab9d6a15-76a7-4396-aa70-bbf22de669b3 X-Archives-Hash: 7fcfdead5dbd7fc0ab1a1cfcc95d1d4e What sort of attitude is that to tempt new users to Gentoo, or anyone for that matter. Surely the installer should be aiming to make installation n= ot just easier but also easier and better than the rest. Otherwise what's th= e point? If that's your attitude you might as well not bothered with the installer and just told everyone to read the manual instead!! I think Nor= man has a valid point and your answer doesn't do his question justice. I'm concerned that there are potential new users who could add to Gentoo, who are going elsewhere because of confusing options and attitudes that don't help anyone. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Gaffney [mailto:agaffney@gentoo.org] Sent: 28 February 2006 16:00 To: gentoo-installer@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-installer] version 0.3 of the Gentoo Linux Installer Simon Stelling wrote: > Norman Rie=DF wrote: >> But see it with the eyes of a random Gentoo beginner. >> You come to the "USE Flags" screen seeing some settings. You think "Th= at >> are surely some nice settings. Otherwise they wouldn=B4t be set as default". >> But then you choose KDE. Now you have a KDE system with "+gnome -kde" = as >> USE Flags. > > If people are not willing to read documentation, that's their fault. Be= ing a > newbie or a sysadmin++, it doesn't matter. You took the words from my mouth. -- Andrew Gaffney http://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney= / Gentoo Linux Developer Installer Projec= t -- gentoo-installer@gentoo.org mailing list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.0/269 - Release Date: 24/02/2006 --=20 gentoo-installer@gentoo.org mailing list