From: Andrew Gaffney <agaffney@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-installer@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-installer] educating users
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:33:55 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <432F4AE3.9010300@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51f84ab505091914344779adb1@mail.gmail.com>
Paul J. Wilson wrote:
> The way I see it, the problem is not about the gentoo installer, but a
> problem of perceptions between the developers and the users. There is a
> further division between the "power users" and the "noobs".
>
> It's easier said than done, but each side should step outside their own
> experience. To a developer, "easy" meains opening VI and drawing on
> their knowledge of hot keys and bash syntax. To the average user, "easy"
> means selecting options from a menu , or not selecting anything at all
> to have things turn out as intended.
To me, "easy" means following the very clear directions layed out for you in the
install guide and being able to use nano. I may be wrong, but I believe my cat
can use nano.
> Regular, everyday users tend not to have the time to spend on the finter
> points of linux and gentoo in particular. If the aim of the gentoo
> installer project is to make Gentoo more accessable to these types of
> users, then it's not unreasonable to expect these users to reach out
That's not the aim. The aim is to make installs *faster* and more
automated...not easier.
> It's also obvious from the responses that some users do NOT find the
> handbook accessable. This can't be simply explained away by lack of
> intelligence. Again, what is obvious to some is not obvious to others,
> especially those who are not trained to think in technical terms.
> Brushing off the questions of every-day users as the work of "noobs" is
> a very easy and sloppy thing to do.
People who can't follow the handbook are people that can't pay attention long
enough to read a complete sentence. If someone can't install Gentoo because of
ADD, that's not our problem.
> There is a huge disconnect happening here. On the one hand, the Gentoo
> front matter seems to state that Gentoo is "all about choices" and goes
> on to strongly imply that the distribution can be all things to all
> users. There are a sub-set of users who 1. don't find the detail and
> fine-point instruction in the manual helpful 2. don't have the time to
> manually configure everything or 3. are not computer literate. It's
> obvious that there are large numbers of people who want to use gentoo
> but whose needs are not being met. I have the impression that the
> gentoo-installer project is an attempt to meet the needs of such users.
Gentoo is not exactly targeted at *any* of those groups of users. As stated
above, that is *not* the intention of the installer.
--
Andrew Gaffney http://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/
Gentoo Linux Developer Installer Project
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Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-09-18 22:08 [gentoo-installer] educating users Andrew Gaffney
2005-09-18 22:49 ` Michael Crute
2005-09-18 23:14 ` Zac Medico
2005-09-18 23:37 ` Łukasz Damentko
2005-09-19 0:04 ` Zac Medico
2005-09-19 0:15 ` Łukasz Damentko
2005-09-19 0:51 ` Zac Medico
2005-09-19 4:08 ` Nick Dimiduk
2005-09-19 6:07 ` Bryan Quigley
2005-09-19 13:24 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-09-19 13:30 ` Paul J. Wilson
2005-09-19 20:41 ` Michael Miller
2005-09-19 21:16 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-09-20 2:11 ` Donnie Berkholz
2005-09-20 5:09 ` mike.gross
2005-09-20 12:02 ` Erick Michau
2005-09-19 21:34 ` Paul J. Wilson
2005-09-19 23:33 ` Andrew Gaffney [this message]
2005-09-20 0:42 ` Paul J. Wilson
2005-09-20 6:34 ` David Marchbanks
2005-09-20 1:32 ` Zac Medico
2005-09-20 13:30 ` Paul de Vrieze
2005-09-20 13:51 ` Jesse McNelis
2005-09-20 14:17 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-09-20 16:25 ` Erick Michau
2005-09-20 14:49 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-09-20 14:53 ` [gentoo-installer] unsubscribe Mr Rayen
2005-09-20 14:57 ` Benigno B. Junior
2005-09-20 15:09 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-09-20 15:16 ` Michael Crute
2005-09-20 15:27 ` Paul J. Wilson
2005-09-20 15:31 ` Andrew Gaffney
2005-09-20 15:40 ` Paul J. Wilson
2005-09-20 15:45 ` Andrew Gaffney
2005-09-20 15:52 ` Paul J. Wilson
2005-09-20 16:52 ` Michael Crute
2005-09-20 17:07 ` Paul J. Wilson
2005-09-20 15:43 ` Chris Gianelloni
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