From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26866 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2004 16:33:29 +0000 Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (156.56.111.197) by lists.gentoo.org with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 30 Oct 2004 16:33:29 +0000 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([156.56.111.196] helo=parrot.gentoo.org) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CNwAS-00064w-MR for arch-gentoo-installer@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:33:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 4126 invoked by uid 89); 30 Oct 2004 16:33:28 +0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-installer-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail Reply-To: gentoo-installer@lists.gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-installer@lists.gentoo.org Received: (qmail 25657 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2004 16:33:27 +0000 Message-ID: <4183C25C.1020405@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:33:32 -0500 From: Scott Myron User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-installer@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090803050409090201000305" Subject: [gentoo-installer] [Fwd: suggestions from an enthiuastic user] X-Archives-Salt: e0993fbe-5623-4f0a-a8d8-2b1d6189536b X-Archives-Hash: cd2482dc36ec55fdad0a78e7d11f7ea9 --------------090803050409090201000305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This was sent directly to me but should probably have been sent to the list.... --------------090803050409090201000305 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="suggestions from an enthiuastic user" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="suggestions from an enthiuastic user" Received: from cs1.cs.huji.ac.il ([132.65.16.10]) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CNt11-0003Q3-2d for samyron@gentoo.org; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:11:31 +0000 Received: from dsl212-235-83-50.bb.netvision.net.il ([212.235.83.50] helo=[192.168.0.218]) by cs1.cs.huji.ac.il with asmtp id 1CNt0y-0000NT-Ck for samyron@gentoo.org; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:11:30 +0200 From: Ofir Cooper To: samyron@gentoo.org Subject: suggestions from an enthiuastic user Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 21:49:14 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410292149.15096.coopeo@cs.huji.ac.il> X-Bogosity: Unsure [50.0%] X-Otp-Authenticated: user [coopeo/212.235.83.50] authenticated remotely X-Authentication-Warning: Sender is not authenticated Hello. I installed gentoo linux on my laptop a few months ago, and this was the first linux distributation I tried. I loved it. I would like to make a few suggestions (which are,maybe, obvious), but I think would greatly improve the gentoo experience, and the popularity of gentoo. First, gentoo needs a graphic installer. Installing from text mode is good for technical - oriented people, not regular users. It's too bad you don't have a graphical install, because the install documentation is excellent. I think you should combine the install docs into a graphical interface, and that will make gentoo much easier. Secondly, I recently bought a new desktop computer, and tried to install gentoo on it as well. I failed - and I tried to figure out what is going on for about 15 hours ! You need to add support for the latest hardware to your system. Here are a few of the problems I encountered: 1. I have two cdrom on one IDE channel, a sata drive and an older IDE drive on another channel. Gentoo found the cdroms, detected the sata as scsi device, but failed to find the second harddrive. After some research, I found out that on my motherboard there are two IDE controllers - one that is in the BIOS, and an ITE/ATAPI controller that doesn't list its IDE devices to the bios. So gentoo couldn't detect the second harddrive (I tried to boot with doataraid, doscsi - nothing worked). 2. I have internet connection through a cable modem and an acount in a ISP. But, I use Virtual Private Network to connect in windows - it took me a very long time to discover that I need to compile a new kernel for the cable modem i have (motorolla SURFboard SB4101) - and I couldn't connect because making a VPN on linux is not so easy (I tried installing PPTP, but I think I didn't configure it right). 3. I also had problems configuring other hardware - but not during the install. I think you should add support for ITE/IDE controllers in the installation. and for as much hardware as possible, in general. Make the install kernel large and suitable for all systems - the kernel I had was not good for my system. Secondly, maybe you can do so something to make connecting to the internet easier for the average user. I consider myself very adept ad using computers, but even I couldn't connect to my ISP (again, I had to compile my kernel to support cable modem connected by usb, and also had to compile it to support vpn, and I couldn't connect by VPN, even though I downloaded pptp, and pptpconfig - which I couldn't use because I couldn't compile a desktop without an internet connection !) that's all I can think of for now., Bye --------------090803050409090201000305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii -- gentoo-installer@gentoo.org mailing list --------------090803050409090201000305--