From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1FECxz-0000wY-Gg for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:05:11 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1SM2XSh018912; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:02:33 GMT Received: from web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.25]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1SM2VrQ026541 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:02:32 GMT Received: (qmail 69613 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Feb 2006 22:03:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=reEE7lS0k2WRkUB1xPXYO41y3Le1AjcH5Hb62P2cJe9wKkQyxC8axbhRO3nCbJstQKhs7FEiTs1HUu46Gjq5Mf/7LqrIq8bb93HvhmyOHLZSHh4i7dBZ7RA7RpGqapjuKl+o+VMmLIax8mwyjMf7316QfHjkKdHyo32jF2pedPY= ; Message-ID: <20060228220307.69611.qmail@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.27.235.178] by web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:03:07 PST Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:03:07 -0800 (PST) From: Revrend Oddball Subject: Re: [gentoo-installer] version 0.3 of the Gentoo Linux Installer To: gentoo-installer@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <440480D5.7000303@smash-net.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-installer@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-installer@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by robin.gentoo.org id k1SM2XTJ018912 X-Archives-Salt: a0ee9093-0a53-4f57-b3b3-efa70802dc0c X-Archives-Hash: 74535caff9baae523b549e29ac9182bc but this would sort of sidestep the entire point of gentoo.. from what i understand gentoo has always been about giving a user all teh options and the documentation to learn and act on their own. if you do no= t wish to follow this base idea then go with something else like suse or fedora. the rule of thumb i have always gone with if i dont know what an option i= s then i leave it the heck alone or read the manual to find out what it is. its not like they make it hard to get a list of what the use flags are. M= aybe instead of making them go away simply make a to the manual on use flags. = gently suggesting to the user to rtfm but ultimately the idea is to read the documentation. --- Norman Rie=EF=BF=BD wrote: > Andrew Gaffney schrieb: >=20 > > Simon Stelling wrote: > > > >> Norman Rie=EF=BF=BD wrote: > >> > >>> But see it with the eyes of a random Gentoo beginner. > >>> You come to the "USE Flags" screen seeing some settings. You think=20 > >>> "That > >>> are surely some nice settings. Otherwise they wouldn=EF=BF=BDt be s= et as=20 > >>> default". > >>> But then you choose KDE. Now you have a KDE system with "+gnome=20 > >>> -kde" as > >>> USE Flags. > >> > >> > >> If people are not willing to read documentation, that's their fault.= =20 > >> Being a > >> newbie or a sysadmin++, it doesn't matter. > > > > > > You took the words from my mouth. > > > Right. But some WILL NOT read the documentation and they WILL create a=20 > crapy system. > And then they WILL run to the forums. And guys like you WILL tell them=20 > to RTFM. > And they will tell their friends what a crapy system Gentoo is and what= =20 > jerks these Gentoo users are. >=20 > Seriously give them a nice default system and tell them later in a nice= r=20 > way to read how to extend the system. >=20 >=20 > --=20 > gentoo-installer@gentoo.org mailing list >=20 >=20 Truly great madness can not be achieved without significant intelligence. =20 -- Henrik Tikkanen =20 Stephen Partington =20 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 --=20 gentoo-installer@gentoo.org mailing list