From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1ESfYq-0003IW-Rx for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:54:45 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id j9KIqINd012717; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:52:18 GMT Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id j9KIqIQb019310 for <gentoo-installer@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:52:18 GMT Received: from h63n2fls31o917.telia.com [213.67.40.63] (helo=localhost) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1ESfYy074t-0000sz; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:54:52 +0200 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:54:42 +0200 From: Alan McGinlay <root@variant.me.uk> To: gentoo-installer@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-installer] Gentoo installer vs current installation method, what about later? Message-ID: <20051020205442.002bc87d@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1129834056.11559.12.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> References: <20051020181754.BB252203FE@ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com> <1129834056.11559.12.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.13 (GTK+ 2.8.6; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-installer@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-installer+help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-installer+unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-installer+subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-installer.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-installer@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-installer@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:4036e3beedbfe3d1fca71359a4e178de X-Archives-Salt: 6e231946-6709-4df0-b311-ac2a681f85ce X-Archives-Hash: 54951f0bfd1c6c7faba2d46d059e031b On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:47:36 -0400 Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@gentoo.org> wrote: > On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 02:17 +0800, John Walsh wrote: > > But I like the non-X liveCD (not the minimal, the Universal), > > everybody has X livecd's and the simplicity and power of the > > current livecd is unmatched. Is there no way of keeping the same > > Universal LiveCD as is now for those users that prefer it? I mean, > > when a system is down, there is no need to start X and have > > open-office and x-chat, xine, mplayer, xmms, etc on the CD, but as > > many tools as possible, like it is now to get it back up. > > Were you paying attention at all? I said that it will be capable of > booting directly to a terminal. Even the current LiveCD can do that. > Simply boot with "nox" and you're at the terminal. > > At any rate, no, there is no way we are keeping the Universal CD when > we will have another CD that is approximately the same size on the > mirrors and is a superset of its functionality. I don't like wasting > my time implementing something with no real use. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chris Gianelloni" <wolf31o2@gentoo.org> > > To: gentoo-installer@lists.gentoo.org > > Subject: Re: [gentoo-installer] Gentoo installer vs current > > installation method, what about later? Date: Wed, 19 Oct > > 2005 14:53:48 -0400 > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 01:59 +0800, John Walsh wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > I just need some enlightenment, is the gentoo installer going > > > > to REPLACE the current methode or is it going to > > > > be an aleternative, like choosing in between expert/manual (the > > > > current method) and easy (the gentoo installer). > > > > The reason I ask this is because I like the current install > > > > method via the livecd and I use that livecd A LOT when > > > > I have to solve some problems on a linux (and even window$) > > > > partition. I wouldn't not want to be able to still use the > > > > livecd as it is currently usable, because I think it is the > > > > best livecd out there. If it is going to completely > > > > replace the current livecd installation method then is there > > > > going to someone at Gentoo to keep up the livecd > > > > tradition? > > > > > > The concept I have in place for future releases is pretty > > > simple. There will be 2 CD images per architecture. > > > > > > 1. Minimal InstallCD > > > 2. Installer LiveCD > > > > > > There will also be stages 1, 2, and 3 on the mirrors. You will > > > still be able to do a manual installation, but it will be highly > > > discouraged, simply due to possible problems. > > > > > > At any rate, when I say LiveCD, I mean the full-blown CD with X > > > on it. This CD will be the replacement for both the Universal > > > InstallCD and the PackageCD. It will also be usable as a > > > RescueCD, so essentially, it is filling three roles. > > > > > > The Minimal InstallCD will be reduced even further to be usable > > > for installation only. Any non-installation-related packages > > > will be removed from the CD. I've been considering even removing > > > some of the lesser-used drivers that typically cause problems and > > > leaving them for the full LiveCD only. > > > > > > You can, of course, still perform a manual installation using the > > > LiveCD. You aren't forced to use the Installer. I, personally, > > > only use the LiveCD, as I like having a complete environment > > > available when doing troubleshooting, or even just being able to > > > get on gaim while I'm waiting for my install to complete. > > > > > > -- > > > Chris Gianelloni > > > Release Engineering - Strategic Lead > > > x86 Architecture Team > > > Games - Developer > > > Gentoo Linux > > << signature.asc >> > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.linuxmail.org > > This allows you to send and receive SMS through your mailbox. > > > > Powered by Outblaze > > As for something with no real use, I always thought it could be nice to have solitaire or some other simple game on the live CD to keep those people (sad, lonely people with nothing better to do - not me of course!) occupied whilst installing :P Regards, Alan -- gentoo-installer@gentoo.org mailing list