From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EHLeV-0008UM-Ab for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:25:47 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id j8JDJl67021202; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:19:47 GMT Received: from smtp04.gnvlscdb.sys.nuvox.net (smtp.nuvox.net [64.89.70.9]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id j8JDJkCM026316 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:19:46 GMT Received: from cgianelloni.nuvox.net (216.215.202.4.nw.nuvox.net [216.215.202.4]) by smtp04.gnvlscdb.sys.nuvox.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j8JDQK3f029345 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:26:21 -0400 Received: by cgianelloni.nuvox.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:24:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [gentoo-installer] educating users From: Chris Gianelloni To: gentoo-installer@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <2e117fdb05091823072437873e@mail.gmail.com> References: <432DE560.5070200@gentoo.org> <432DF4CB.1050304@gmail.com> <20050919013711.33a6f94f.rane@gentoo.org> <432E39B2.2@gentoo.org> <2e117fdb05091823072437873e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-qDIbTpCi8IteI2r+4w9e" Organization: Gentoo Linux Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:24:03 -0400 Message-Id: <1127136243.4197.8.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-installer@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-installer@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 X-Archives-Salt: 1e2e975d-27d2-42be-9dc9-3312d5efdab1 X-Archives-Hash: cd875c5140b090dcc89ee1fd39f781a0 --=-qDIbTpCi8IteI2r+4w9e Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2005-09-19 at 02:07 -0400, Bryan Quigley wrote: > I am a noob with gentoo and linux. Are you trying to make it harder > for me to install gentoo, and make it take more time? I think what Andrew is trying to do is curb the people out there that think that using a graphical installer makes Gentoo any easier to install, when it does not. > gentoo was my first real attempt at linux, and I installed it as I > read the handbook. I didnt read and master the handbook before > starting the install. You don't have to read and master it, you just have to follow it. The problem here is stemming from people that are refusing to read the Handbook, then wondering why they can't get Gentoo installed and are starting to flood our support channels with questions answered in the Handbook. > If you believe that someone having trouble with gentoo would ask it on > a list instead of reading the handbook. Then might they just ask the > questions from the test? Exactly. This is the reason why I think any kind of quiz would be pretty pointless. Perhaps a starting page that tells the user that the documentation is located in the Handbook and that they should read the Handbook before asking questions would be good, but anything as pervasive as a quiz is pretty much wasted time on both the developer's part and the user's. Do we need a copy of the Handbook on the CD for use by the installer? That shouldn't be a problem and is of minimal size. One other thing that we will need is information on the installer added to the Handbook, as right now, a lot of assumptions are made that the users will be able to translate the command-line options from the Handbook into clicks (or selections) in the installer front-ends. Yes, it is going to take a lot of work. Yes, it is going to suck. Yes, I recommend trying to find and bribe one of the docs team members into being an installer docs monkey for a short while. ;] --=20 Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead Games - Developer Gentoo Linux --=-qDIbTpCi8IteI2r+4w9e Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDLrvykT4lNIS36YERAp98AJwOJJ2r3H3n1toF4NEoyBtFsYC27ACgjzp4 8DYlg9zzxDFYaAgYs8BaCoo= =ZgHg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-qDIbTpCi8IteI2r+4w9e-- -- gentoo-installer@gentoo.org mailing list