[gentoo-hardened] 2 lists!

[gentoo-hardened] 2 lists!

[Jan V]

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The gentoo-hardened mailing list is not able to support users. Here mostly physicians and math-specialists are posting, known as devs. We need a mailing list, where people without your capabilities but that still want to use hardened environments can share their thoughts and mostly *get help*.
So, please create a hardened-dev list and a hardened-users list. And please let the hardened-users list become a massive multiplayer "how do I do a policy for my pussy" list. This is needed!
Regards,
Jan.

		
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Re: [gentoo-hardened] 2 lists!

[Alex Efros]

Hi!

On Sat, May 06, 2006 at 09:35:59PM +0200, Jan V wrote:
>    The gentoo-hardened mailing list is not able to support users. Here
>    mostly physicians and math-specialists are posting, known as devs. We
>    need a mailing list, where people without your capabilities but that
>    still want to use hardened environments can share their thoughts and
>    mostly *get help*.
>    So, please create a hardened-dev list and a hardened-users list. And
>    please let the hardened-users list become a massive multiplayer "how
>    do I do a policy for my pussy" list. This is needed!

This isn't "maillist" who unable to support users - it's subscribers of
this maillist unable to support users. This list has very low traffic,
and splitting it into two maillists make then even less traffic each.

Usual way to kick :) "physicians and math-specialists" into hardened-dev
is increase traffic in this maillist with huge amount of user-support
messages... Try to ask your "simple" questions and look is somebody will
answer. If nobody will answer - then why you think these people WILL
answer if maillist will be renamed to hardened-users? :)

Anyway, I don't share your view both about "is not able to support users"
and "physicians and math-specialists". Everything written above is just
attempt to reply from your point of view.

There some professional developers experienced in security in this maillist...
and they are only people who __able__ to answer to most of questions 
(so kick'ing them into different maillist isn't good idea for users anyway). :)
And they usually answer to all questions, so users usually can *get help*
(of course, if you wanna use Hardened then you must first read everything
about it on gentoo website and gentoo wiki... sorry, but this is only way to
use Linux - read docs, then read them again).

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			WBR, Alex.
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Re: [gentoo-hardened] 2 lists!

[Panagiotis Atmatzidis]

Jan V wrote:
> The gentoo-hardened mailing list is not able to support users. Here 
> mostly physicians and math-specialists are posting, known as devs. We 
> need a mailing list, where people without your capabilities but that 
> still want to use hardened environments can share their thoughts and 
> mostly *get help*.
> So, please create a hardened-dev list and a hardened-users list. And 
> please let the hardened-users list become a massive multiplayer "how do 
> I do a policy for my pussy" list. This is needed!
> Regards,
> Jan.
> 
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> 

This ml should be considered *polite* comparing to other well known 
security related mailing lists, were you get flames from unknown idiots. 
  And as Alex already said.. this list has not much traffic splitting it 
into two is a really bad idea.
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Re: [gentoo-hardened] 2 lists!

[Brant Williams]

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In my experience, most doctors know little to nothing about computers, let 
alone developing a hardened Linux distribution...  ;)

try #gentoo or #gentoo-hardened on irc.freenode.net

- -Brant


On Sat, 6 May 2006, Jan V wrote:

> mostly physicians and math-specialists are posting, known as devs.
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