From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1PPdWs-0005Tq-CG for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2010 16:03:06 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B616CE0746 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2010 16:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail1.nippynetworks.com (mail1.nippynetworks.com [212.227.250.41]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2974DE0713 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2010 15:36:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (mail1.nippynetworks.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.nippynetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59D5D6751AE for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2010 15:36:41 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at nippynetworks.com Received: from mail1.nippynetworks.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail1.nippynetworks.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id RExZzz5WBFlb for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2010 15:36:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from Ed-Wildgooses-MacBook-Pro.local (cust94-dsl49.idnet.net [212.69.49.94]) (Authenticated sender: edward@wildgooses.com) by mail1.nippynetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 12AC467519B for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2010 15:36:41 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4CFD0308.8090909@wildgooses.com> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 15:36:40 +0000 From: Ed W User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-hardened@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-hardened@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-hardened@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-hardened] Meeting 2010-12-01 20:00 UTC log References: <201012030057.48626.zorry@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <201012030057.48626.zorry@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 659ab840-58f6-4d52-b4cc-73ca049ddcf4 X-Archives-Hash: 167303383c4e53901a90afa9b7ccf052 Hi > Log from the meting 2010-12-01 20:00 UTC Just to pickup on the uclibc comments: > [21:50:56] just curious, mind you, but what, if any, consideration do we officially have for uclibc? > [21:51:53] quantumsummers|a: the main prob with it is that i lack ssp support and you need unstable uclibs to use with gcc-4 I guess this is more a note for the embedded guys, but the "stable" uclibc is absolutely antique... And despite a recent thread on the uclibc list trying to highlight that releases are so few and far between that everyone really should be on the "latest", gentoo is for some reason stuck with uclibc from Feb 2007... (and latest ebuild dates from May 2009, despite new release in Jan 2010...) uClibc git + nptl is showing huge promise and great compatibility (at least on x86, and amd64 is apparently getting into shape). I'm running a git checkout (with NPTL) from some weeks back on x86 and it's their best code by a long shot... Can we please consider slightly ignoring what version of uclibc is considered "stable" by embedded and perhaps shoot for all testing against something modern such as latest git? I think it's the best chance for a working setup for many users (I respect that arm, etc may or may not be so stable as x86) Note: it's trivial to bump the current uclibc ebuild to grab a point version from their git repo - if it's not obvious to someone who wants to test, then drop me a line and I will post an updated ebuild? Thanks for the great work on hardened though! Ed W