[gentoo-hardened] overlapped windows in x

[gentoo-hardened] overlapped windows in x

[mailinglists00]

Hi all!

I'm having a problem with overlapping windows: 
if I change to a window in the background (for example to the browser), the content 
of the hidden part is drawn back slowly: i see a grey square for a moment
Also, moving a window on the top of the browser is very slow.

So, could this happen because of the hardened profile. 
I was using desktop profile for 1,5 years, but I honestly don't remember if I 
had problems there.
I tried ubuntu livecd for comparison, and there was no problem with
windowing.

I use the hardened profile with hardened kernel.
I don't know where to paste more information. Sould I use the mailing list, or
a pastebin-like web page?

I'm using xf86-video-ati with radeon 7500.

Thank you for reading...
bendeguz

Re: [gentoo-hardened] overlapped windows in x

["Tóth Attila"]

That could very well depend on your window manager and GUI of choice.
I use Gnome 2.28 with a hardened profile on x86. I don't have the problem
you've described. However the whole system is a bit slower with PIE-SSP
enabled binaries and active RBAC system compared to a non-hardened
userland-kernel combo. The only application where it was disturbing for me
is OpenOffice, where the audience should wait more while changing slides.
So I don't use it for presentations. Otherwise I opt for security over
speed - where I can make a choice.

Regards:
Dw.
-- 
dr Tóth Attila, Radiológus, 06-20-825-8057, 06-30-5962-962
Attila Toth MD, Radiologist, +36-20-825-8057, +36-30-5962-962

2010.Június 28.(H) 13:37 időpontban mailinglists00@gmail.com ezt írta:
> Hi all!
>
> I'm having a problem with overlapping windows:
> if I change to a window in the background (for example to the browser),
> the content
> of the hidden part is drawn back slowly: i see a grey square for a moment
> Also, moving a window on the top of the browser is very slow.
>
> So, could this happen because of the hardened profile.
> I was using desktop profile for 1,5 years, but I honestly don't remember
> if I
> had problems there.
> I tried ubuntu livecd for comparison, and there was no problem with
> windowing.
>
> I use the hardened profile with hardened kernel.
> I don't know where to paste more information. Sould I use the mailing
> list, or
> a pastebin-like web page?
>
> I'm using xf86-video-ati with radeon 7500.
>
> Thank you for reading...
> bendeguz
>
>

Re: [gentoo-hardened] overlapped windows in x

[RB]

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 09:36, "Tóth Attila" <atoth@atoth.sote.hu> wrote:
> That could very well depend on your window manager and GUI of choice.
> I use Gnome 2.28 with a hardened profile on x86. I don't have the problem
> you've described.

Ditto - hardened profile on x86 with XFCE, and no such issue.  How
much memory do you have?  I'm running on a relatively low/slow system
(Celeron 1.4GHz /512MB/Radeon Mobility L6), but it sounds like you've
got some serious slowdown in one of the major components (memory or
graphics likely).  That said, I _have_ turned off memory scrubbing on
this particular system due to its relative slowness, but never
experienced artifacts like you're describing.


RB

Re: [gentoo-hardened] overlapped windows in x

[mailinglists00]

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:01:46AM -0600, RB wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 09:36, "Tóth Attila" <atoth@atoth.sote.hu> wrote:
> > That could very well depend on your window manager and GUI of choice.
> > I use Gnome 2.28 with a hardened profile on x86. I don't have the problem
> > you've described.
> 
> Ditto - hardened profile on x86 with XFCE, and no such issue.  How
> much memory do you have?  I'm running on a relatively low/slow system
> (Celeron 1.4GHz /512MB/Radeon Mobility L6), but it sounds like you've
> got some serious slowdown in one of the major components (memory or
> graphics likely).  That said, I _have_ turned off memory scrubbing on
> this particular system due to its relative slowness, but never
> experienced artifacts like you're describing.
> 
> 
> RB
> 

Thank you. 
Well, to be more precise, I use the selinux/2007.0/x86/hardened 
profile, but I realized that this profile has some issues with selinux, 
so it is not working properly. So selinux is in permissive mode.

I have an AMD Athlon XP 1700, with 512MB RAM and Radeon 7500.
I experience this problem in different wms. Now I use fluxbox.
I also tried with normal gentoo kernel, but it didn't help.

If you say, that you have no problems, (and I don't think the problem 
is with the selinux profile (fixme) ), then I have absolutely no clue
and move this thread to gentoo-user.

Thanks for your help, guys.

Re: [gentoo-hardened] overlapped windows in x

[klondike]

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El 28/06/10 18:48, mailinglists00@gmail.com escribió:
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:01:46AM -0600, RB wrote:
>   
>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 09:36, "Tóth Attila" <atoth@atoth.sote.hu> wrote:
>>     
>>> That could very well depend on your window manager and GUI of choice.
>>> I use Gnome 2.28 with a hardened profile on x86. I don't have the problem
>>> you've described.
>>>       
>> Ditto - hardened profile on x86 with XFCE, and no such issue.  How
>> much memory do you have?  I'm running on a relatively low/slow system
>> (Celeron 1.4GHz /512MB/Radeon Mobility L6), but it sounds like you've
>> got some serious slowdown in one of the major components (memory or
>> graphics likely).  That said, I _have_ turned off memory scrubbing on
>> this particular system due to its relative slowness, but never
>> experienced artifacts like you're describing.
>>
>>
>> RB
>>
>>     
> Thank you. 
> Well, to be more precise, I use the selinux/2007.0/x86/hardened 
> profile, but I realized that this profile has some issues with selinux, 
> so it is not working properly. So selinux is in permissive mode.
>
> I have an AMD Athlon XP 1700, with 512MB RAM and Radeon 7500.
> I experience this problem in different wms. Now I use fluxbox.
> I also tried with normal gentoo kernel, but it didn't help.
>
> If you say, that you have no problems, (and I don't think the problem 
> is with the selinux profile (fixme) ), then I have absolutely no clue
> and move this thread to gentoo-user.
>   
I think the problem is on the video driver. I'm using an ATI X1650Pro
with the same driver and also experience some odd artifacts, like white
going black until I refresh the windows and the likes.

Anyway they aren't so upseting for me :/



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Re: [gentoo-hardened] overlapped windows in x

[mailinglists00]

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:01:46AM -0600, RB wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 09:36, "Tóth Attila" <atoth@atoth.sote.hu> wrote:
> > That could very well depend on your window manager and GUI of choice.
> > I use Gnome 2.28 with a hardened profile on x86. I don't have the problem
> > you've described.
> 
> Ditto - hardened profile on x86 with XFCE, and no such issue.  How
> much memory do you have?  I'm running on a relatively low/slow system
> (Celeron 1.4GHz /512MB/Radeon Mobility L6), but it sounds like you've
> got some serious slowdown in one of the major components (memory or
> graphics likely).  That said, I _have_ turned off memory scrubbing on
> this particular system due to its relative slowness, but never
> experienced artifacts like you're describing.
> 
> 
> RB
> 

If you don't mind I paste my emerge --info output, maybe you can find something.
I have updated to x server 1.7.6 and xf86-video-ati 6.13.0, but x is even slower now.
I have now a similar x log as the ubuntu livecd has. Now I don't use xorg.conf .
I'm close to a point where I install ubuntu :(

Portage 2.1.8.3 (selinux/2007.0/x86/hardened, gcc-4.4.4, glibc-2.11.2-r0, 2.6.32-hardened-r9 i686)
=================================================================
System uname: Linux-2.6.32-hardened-r9-i686-AMD_Athlon-TM-_XP_1700+-with-gentoo-2.0.1
Timestamp of tree: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 09:15:01 +0000
app-shells/bash:     4.1_p7
dev-lang/python:     2.6.5-r2, 3.1.2-r3
dev-util/cmake:      2.8.1-r2
sys-apps/baselayout: 2.0.1
sys-apps/openrc:     0.6.1-r1
sys-apps/sandbox:    2.2
sys-devel/autoconf:  2.65-r1
sys-devel/automake:  1.8.5-r4, 1.11.1
sys-devel/binutils:  2.20.1-r1
sys-devel/gcc:       4.3.5, 4.4.4-r1
sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.4.1
sys-devel/libtool:   2.2.10
virtual/os-headers:  2.6.34
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86 ~x86"
ACCEPT_LICENSE="* -@EULA PUEL dlj-1.1"
CBUILD="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CFLAGS="-march=athlon-xp -O2 -pipe"
CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /usr/share/X11/xkb"
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/ca-certificates.conf /etc/env.d /etc/fonts/fonts.conf /etc/gconf /etc/gentoo-release 
/etc/revdep-rebuild /etc/sandbox.d /etc/terminfo"
CXXFLAGS="-march=athlon-xp -O2 -pipe"
DISTDIR="/usr/portage/distfiles"
FEATURES="assume-digests buildpkg distlocks fixpackages loadpolicy news parallel-fetch protect-owned sandbox selinux sesandbox 
sfperms strict unmerge-logs unmerge-orphans userfetch"
GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/gentoo"
LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1"
LINGUAS="hu en"
MAKEOPTS="-j2"
PKGDIR="/usr/portage/packages"
PORTAGE_CONFIGROOT="/"
PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS="--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times --compress --force --whole-file --delete --stats 
--timeout=180 --exclude=/distfiles --exclude=/local --exclude=/packages"
PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
PORTDIR_OVERLAY="/usr/local/portage"
SYNC="rsync://rsync.europe.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage"
USE="X acpi alsa berkdb cairo cli cracklib crypt curl cxx dri flac fortran gnutls gtk hal hardened iconv libsamplerate mad 
modules mudflap ncurses nls nptl opengl openmp pam pcre perl pic pppd python readline reflection secure-delete selinux session 
spl ssl tcpd x86 xcb xorg zlib" ALSA_CARDS="ali5451 als4000 atiixp atiixp-modem bt87x ca0106 cmipci emu10k1 emu10k1x ens1370 
ens1371 es1938 es1968 fm801 hda-intel intel8x0 intel8x0m maestro3 trident usb-audio via82xx via82xx-modem ymfpci" 
ALSA_PCM_PLUGINS="adpcm alaw asym copy dmix dshare dsnoop empty extplug file hooks iec958 ioplug ladspa lfloat linear meter 
mmap_emul mulaw multi null plug rate route share shm softvol" APACHE2_MODULES="actions alias auth_basic authn_alias authn_anon 
authn_dbm authn_default authn_file authz_dbm authz_default authz_groupfile authz_host authz_owner authz_user autoindex cache dav 
dav_fs dav_lock deflate dir disk_cache env expires ext_filter file_cache filter headers include info log_config logio mem_cache 
mime mime_magic negotiation rewrite setenvif speling status unique_id userdir usertrack vhost_alias" ELIBC="glibc" 
INPUT_DEVICES="evdev" KERNEL="linux" LCD_DEVICES="bayrad cfontz cfontz633 glk hd44780 lb216 lcdm001 mtxorb ncurses text" 
LINGUAS="hu en" RUBY_TARGETS="ruby18" USERLAND="GNU" VIDEO_CARDS="radeon" XTABLES_ADDONS="quota2 psd pknock lscan length2 
ipv4options ipset ipp2p iface geoip fuzzy condition tee tarpit sysrq steal rawnat logmark ipmark dhcpmac delude chaos account" 
Unset:  CPPFLAGS, CTARGET, EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS, FFLAGS, INSTALL_MASK, LC_ALL, PORTAGE_COMPRESS, PORTAGE_COMPRESS_FLAGS, 
PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS



Thanks for helping...

Re: [gentoo-hardened] overlapped windows in x

[RB]

On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:10,  <mailinglists00@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you don't mind I paste my emerge --info output, maybe you can find something.
> I have updated to x server 1.7.6 and xf86-video-ati 6.13.0, but x is even slower now.
> I have now a similar x log as the ubuntu livecd has. Now I don't use xorg.conf .
> I'm close to a point where I install ubuntu :(

Why such an old version of xorg-server with the latest driver?  Your
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS indicates you're allowing ~x86 (which, IMO, is proper
for X-based hardened systems), but you only have the latest stable
xorg-server.  I'm running 1.8.1.902, and have been running the 1.8.x
series for two months.

Re: [gentoo-hardened] overlapped windows in x

[mailinglists00]

On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 12:50:47PM -0600, RB wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:10,  <mailinglists00@gmail.com> wrote:
> > If you don't mind I paste my emerge --info output, maybe you can find something.
> > I have updated to x server 1.7.6 and xf86-video-ati 6.13.0, but x is even slower now.
> > I have now a similar x log as the ubuntu livecd has. Now I don't use xorg.conf .
> > I'm close to a point where I install ubuntu :(
> 
> Why such an old version of xorg-server with the latest driver?  Your
> ACCEPT_KEYWORDS indicates you're allowing ~x86 (which, IMO, is proper
> for X-based hardened systems), but you only have the latest stable
> xorg-server.  I'm running 1.8.1.902, and have been running the 1.8.x
> series for two months.
> 

I had problems with 1.7.x and 1.8.x servers with th 3d rendering,
but that now doesn't matter, so maybe I give a try.
It couldn't be much worse now :)

Re: [gentoo-hardened] overlapped windows in x

[mailinglists00]

On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 09:09:51PM +0200, mailinglists00@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 12:50:47PM -0600, RB wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:10,  <mailinglists00@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > If you don't mind I paste my emerge --info output, maybe you can find something.
> > > I have updated to x server 1.7.6 and xf86-video-ati 6.13.0, but x is even slower now.
> > > I have now a similar x log as the ubuntu livecd has. Now I don't use xorg.conf .
> > > I'm close to a point where I install ubuntu :(
> > 
> > Why such an old version of xorg-server with the latest driver?  Your
> > ACCEPT_KEYWORDS indicates you're allowing ~x86 (which, IMO, is proper
> > for X-based hardened systems), but you only have the latest stable
> > xorg-server.  I'm running 1.8.1.902, and have been running the 1.8.x
> > series for two months.
> > 
> 
> I had problems with 1.7.x and 1.8.x servers with th 3d rendering,
> but that now doesn't matter, so maybe I give a try.
> It couldn't be much worse now :)
> 

updated to x server 1.8.1.902, and have still the same problem
It's not funny anymore.
I see it is slow even if I start fluxbox. I can see the taskbar is loaded
but to draw the default blue background takes a while.
Maybe I have to look for solution in the kernel config.

bendeguz