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From: Rob Kendrick <rjek@rjek.com>
To: gentoo-hardened@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-hardened] Bought an "entropy-key" - very happy
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:19:05 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100326151905.55ba1743@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100326141518.GN10118@gmail.com>

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On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 09:15:19 -0500
Brian Kroth <bpkroth@gmail.com> wrote:

> This probably won't actually happen until some distant point in the
> future, but I'm especially interested in getting it to virtual
> machines. Unfortunately, from what I can find there's no nice
> interface between the host's rng and the vm for vmware esx like there
> is for kvm (eg: virtio_rng).  Anyone know of one?

The tool you previously mentioned, Entropy Broker, is amongst the
better choices.

> With the entropy broker the thing I'm not totally clear on is how
> entropy bits transferred over the network (presumably without
> encryption as that might require entropy) would be worthwhile
> entropy?  

I believe Entropy Broker encrypts, so it should be safe in that
respect.  Not that it's much of a problem on a VM where the network
cable in question is a completely virtual one.

> What makes it different from the situation where you're
> using the network device interrupts as an source of entropy?
> Couldn't both be observable?

Such interrupts aren't great choices for entropy because they're so
easily manipulable, anyway.

> Another question - I keep seeing people suggesting to hook rngd (from
> rng-tools) up to /dev/urandom.  Doesn't that just feed your system
> entropy with an prng most of the time?  I feel like this just gives
> the illusion of a decent sized entropy pool.  Might as well hook your
> app up to /dev/urandom instead, correct?

Yep.

B.

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-26 16:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-23 20:39 [gentoo-hardened] Bought an "entropy-key" - very happy Ed W
2010-03-23 21:02 ` lists
2010-03-25 13:10   ` Rob Kendrick
2010-03-25 17:50     ` pageexec
2010-03-25 20:12       ` Rob Kendrick
2010-03-25 19:38         ` pageexec
2010-03-25 23:53           ` Ed W
2010-03-26  0:36           ` Rob Kendrick
2010-03-25 20:17       ` Ed W
2010-03-25 20:21         ` Rob Kendrick
2010-03-25 13:30   ` Ed W
2010-03-25 19:23     ` lists
2010-03-25 19:34       ` Tóth Attila
2010-03-25 20:11       ` Rob Kendrick
2010-03-25 20:34         ` Ed W
2010-03-25 20:41           ` RB
2010-03-25 21:08           ` Tom Hendrikx
2010-03-26 14:15           ` Brian Kroth
2010-03-26 15:19             ` Rob Kendrick [this message]
2010-03-27 13:11             ` Ed W

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