From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1FcTZT-0002HM-PO for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 06 May 2006 20:40:12 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k46KZ9hV020940; Sat, 6 May 2006 20:35:09 GMT Received: from powerman.asdfGroup.com (as-45-33.lns1-4c.kharkov.ukrtel.net [82.207.89.161]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k46KZ8Bj030927 for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 20:35:08 GMT Received: (qmail 25959 invoked by uid 1000); 6 May 2006 23:35:07 +0300 Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 23:35:07 +0300 From: Alex Efros To: gentoo-hardened@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-hardened] 2 lists! Message-ID: <20060506203507.GC20720@home.power> Mail-Followup-To: Alex Efros , gentoo-hardened@lists.gentoo.org References: <20060506193559.90543.qmail@web26008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-hardened@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-hardened@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060506193559.90543.qmail@web26008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Organization: asdfGroup Inc., http://powerman.asdfGroup.com/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Archives-Salt: 3e525a1f-258f-4f3e-9cab-b675e83c8cf6 X-Archives-Hash: ae7ff67769c5792dbda6fb199104a6a5 Hi! On Sat, May 06, 2006 at 09:35:59PM +0200, Jan V wrote: > The gentoo-hardened mailing list is not able to support users. Here > mostly physicians and math-specialists are posting, known as devs. We > need a mailing list, where people without your capabilities but that > still want to use hardened environments can share their thoughts and > mostly *get help*. > So, please create a hardened-dev list and a hardened-users list. And > please let the hardened-users list become a massive multiplayer "how > do I do a policy for my pussy" list. This is needed! This isn't "maillist" who unable to support users - it's subscribers of this maillist unable to support users. This list has very low traffic, and splitting it into two maillists make then even less traffic each. Usual way to kick :) "physicians and math-specialists" into hardened-dev is increase traffic in this maillist with huge amount of user-support messages... Try to ask your "simple" questions and look is somebody will answer. If nobody will answer - then why you think these people WILL answer if maillist will be renamed to hardened-users? :) Anyway, I don't share your view both about "is not able to support users" and "physicians and math-specialists". Everything written above is just attempt to reply from your point of view. There some professional developers experienced in security in this maillist... and they are only people who __able__ to answer to most of questions (so kick'ing them into different maillist isn't good idea for users anyway). :) And they usually answer to all questions, so users usually can *get help* (of course, if you wanna use Hardened then you must first read everything about it on gentoo website and gentoo wiki... sorry, but this is only way to use Linux - read docs, then read them again). -- WBR, Alex. -- gentoo-hardened@gentoo.org mailing list