Re: [gentoo-hardened] Profile switch: hardened to non-hardened?

[Ned Ludd <solar@gentoo.org>]

On Tue, 2008-12-30 at 12:31 -0800, Grant wrote:
> >> >> What else would you recommend for me?
> >> >
> >> > I'd suggest to completely ignore the grsec (low/med/high) options and
> >> > use the Hardened Gentoo level in the hardened-sources all the time.
> >> >
> >> > Xorg should not cause problems unless you are stuck using 3rd party
> >> > binary drivers. Most of us are using a hardened X setup.
> >>
> >> Excellent, thank you.  You think the "Hardened Gentoo (workstation)"
> >> and "Hardened Gentoo (server)" grsecurity setups are adequate
> >> low-maintenance solutions?
> >
> >
> > Re: "low maintenance"
> > I'm not sure we can dumb down the hardening efforts anymore than we
> > already have. It's all pretty transparent and seems mostly like a normal
> > install of anything else. The ELF's are just smarter.
> 
> Low maintenance definitely.  Is the security OK?

Please think before you type and hit send.

Pretend you have 0 extra security now. Then you take an entire project
that devotes itself to proactive security measures. It enables features
that are security based. So 0 vs 1... 

> >> What does a hardened profile do for my server?
> >
> > Enables things to match the kernel options/blocks things that conflict.
> 
> Is the grsecurity "Hardened Gentoo (workstation)" setting useful
> without the hardened profile?

Of course it is. Is your make menuconfig (read help) broken?

We are also getting way off topic here and this thread is going on for a
week. the orig question was answered with a simple "yes". If you have
lots of interactive new questions, jump on irc where you can learn more
in an hour than you can in two months of playing ping/pong on the list.