From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1PVh8J-00020m-CT for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 09:06:47 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EFFBAE0747 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 09:06:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f181.google.com (mail-gx0-f181.google.com [209.85.161.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5FAE066A for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 08:34:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so2966455gxk.40 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 00:34:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=aDp0XCcpWDbSm3sZLjFIrgwzX3P2WUYh0CvD9vHlUoA=; b=sUBcucXHYsV+p3sb7cK0hC8lyxUJQb182DIyybzI7ZcTAuIAdsfZDbMNG1QCVTAmoP hrd9Kxbgxa3pagtToFY2IoI8CFTxAvKYuWFyJGKWfUKAw/mdXxJKIXRXLSdvh1Ptbihp IRqZI0VSn0gYCu0b0SND4eTPTwG4yc79elKm4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=FdYLkO+GHU4piaH+0nSK2Y077ohwIze27roNi/eqDCM7c+i+/9ktZvnoHdCAMB5hFi l1QQ4srdY28hleKLzx2so5AyxUgbOU+UxeEZ3sITeZqVq0CZxtsCfG7ey3+TfMkr1/Qi ilxufGDNqvLZLAT+kNxatCtlEWO+zEYGgxELI= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-embedded@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-embedded@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.110.12 with SMTP id t12mr15473342yhg.6.1293093265248; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 00:34:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.110.38 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 00:34:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101221162012.27392.qmail@stuge.se> References: <4D10C0B0.8010602@wildgooses.com> <20101221162012.27392.qmail@stuge.se> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:34:25 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-embedded] Some good words for Gentoo embedded? From: Kfir Lavi To: gentoo-embedded@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0023547c9215bc91e104980fbc88 X-Archives-Salt: 7b31b2b6-0f7d-41fd-81c3-d66546446103 X-Archives-Hash: dbe3d7800220defcc133d9712c17c02c --0023547c9215bc91e104980fbc88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: > Ed W wrote: > >> "Why Gentoo?" > > > > I like gentoo for situations where: > > - Skilled developer available > > - Customisable solution is desired > > - Tightly controlled deployment environment > > - Repeatable build environment required > > > > I think gentoo is far less acceptable if there isn't a skilled developer > > available to help maintain and develop it... Probably that's my main > > suggestion on how to size your project? > > > > However, if that developer/administrator is available, then Gentoo is a > > marvellous solution for quickly building few MB custom solution, or a > 60MB > > virtual server base installation, or whatever other customised > environment > > you desire? > > This is very perceptive, and excellent advice! > > I believe firmly in "owning the problem" and for that, Gentoo is a > very good fit. I know many who fiercly resist owning any problem > whatsoever, and they do fine anyway (even better than me) and for > them obviously Gentoo is not at all a goo fit because they would have > to make lots of decisions they do not want to. > > Abstracting a little; the more requirements there are, the more > likely it is that without Gentoo, it would be neccessary to start > re-inventing various bits and pieces that Gentoo already offer. > > Sometimes requirements come only later, when a production process has > already been established, and can not comfortably be replaced. That's > a bad situation to be in. It will be painful no matter what, but > often people choose the lengthy pain that means sticking with the old > "distribution" living with a less-than-useful environment and > reinventing tools and processes, instead of ripping off the band-aid > and making a switch to Gentoo or something else that fits the > project. > > > //Peter > > Well, switching to Gentoo, is really not probable. People don't understand Linux, and if they do, usually they know the big distros. If they search for embedded distro, Gentoo will not be on the list. You need to come from Gentoo to understand it's capabilities. If I start to roll an embedded environment with Gentoo, this will lit some developers to check the system, because they need to use it. It seems that when time goes by, and we grow older, we are reluctant to do the change. Thats includes me too ;-) I have hard time letting Gentoo off :-) Regards, Kfir --0023547c9215bc91e104980fbc88 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at= 6:20 PM, Peter Stuge <peter@stuge.se> wrote:
Ed W wrote:
>> "Why Gentoo?"
>
> I like gentoo for situations where:
> - Skilled developer available
> - Customisable solution is desired
> - Tightly controlled deployment environment
> - Repeatable build environment required
>
> I think gentoo is far less acceptable if there isn't a skilled dev= eloper
> available to help maintain and develop it... Probably that's my ma= in
> suggestion on how to size your project?
>
> However, if that developer/administrator is available, then Gentoo is = a
> marvellous solution for quickly building few MB custom solution, or a = 60MB
> virtual server base installation, or whatever other customised environ= ment
> you desire?

This is very perceptive, and excellent advice!

I believe firmly in "owning the problem" and for that, Gentoo is = a
very good fit. I know many who fiercly resist owning any problem
whatsoever, and they do fine anyway (even better than me) and for
them obviously Gentoo is not at all a goo fit because they would have
to make lots of decisions they do not want to.

Abstracting a little; the more requirements there are, the more
likely it is that without Gentoo, it would be neccessary to start
re-inventing various bits and pieces that Gentoo already offer.

Sometimes requirements come only later, when a production process has
already been established, and can not comfortably be replaced. That's a bad situation to be in. It will be painful no matter what, but
often people choose the lengthy pain that means sticking with the old
"distribution" living with a less-than-useful environment and
reinventing tools and processes, instead of ripping off the band-aid
and making a switch to Gentoo or something else that fits the
project.


//Peter

Well, switching to Gentoo, is really not proba= ble.
People don't understand Linux, and if they do, usually they kn= ow the big
distros.
If they search for embedded distro, Gentoo will = not be on the list.
You need to come from Gentoo to understand it's capabilities.
If I = start to roll an embedded environment with Gentoo, this will lit
some d= evelopers to check the system, because they need to use it.
It seems tha= t when time goes by, and we grow older, we are reluctant to
do the change. Thats includes me too ;-) I have hard time letting Gentoo off :-)

Regards,
Kfir
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