From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Q2Oei-0007oJ-OY for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2011 14:03:25 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F4991C0A7 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2011 14:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF76BE071C for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:48:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=pN6kzQkhXdmdOr6Akjoh3kGBD/S3UyPMKQp53EJY+ro= c=1 sm=0 a=PTCtUZ8m1CQA:10 a=0VXDDtH8jGIA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ycB087cP/TvZCXFoqgOVhQ==:17 a=xk95gUGHaSl4jLJfCyUA:9 a=zDugaaEw0Xv99dNo6pAA:7 a=_cyTiAiuX6xo75VA6bSgpBZE9WsA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=fWdSXX73ra9SE4Fk:21 a=ziVrxa5ThuZ2W_1i:21 a=ycB087cP/TvZCXFoqgOVhQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.40.157.251 Received: from [71.40.157.251] ([71.40.157.251:52272] helo=[192.168.2.37]) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D5/38-28036-E3AF98D4; Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:48:46 +0000 Message-ID: <4D89FA82.5090002@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 09:49:54 -0400 From: wireless User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110311 Lightning/1.0b3pre Thunderbird/3.1.9 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-embedded@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-embedded@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-embedded@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-embedded] Wind River Linux experience References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 2f5d0234e7745cab300021a71f0aebc9 On 03/23/11 05:46, Kfir Lavi wrote: > I'm trying to migrate a big company to Gentoo. > This company have a contract with Wind River for support and use. > I don't have any experience with Wind River, so I would be happy to > hear your experience with it, and what it's pros and cons. > Regards, > Kfir All by yourself? That's a LARGE statement. Wind River is the 600 lb Gorilla in the commercial RTOS space. Everything from proprietary, to BSDish to embedded Linux, state machines...... you name it they sell (and mostly) support it. Large companies use Wind River, because of many reasons, but it is a "one stop shop" and Business managers like that. Wind River can write (and often do) the entire code for products or products lines, fast and efficient. However, their "Achilles heal" is they are EXPENSIVE to partner with; most often retaining the intellectual property rights to all of the codes they develop or sell. Their business model is the "lock-in" and often, after years of a relationship with a company, the victim (um, I mean customer) finds out that WR is licensing the code to a competitor..... Bad ju-ju, but legal and happens all the time. So you are talking about helping a company take the "long road" to freedom and profitability, via embedded Linux (Gentoo specifically). Depending on the complexity of the of their codes, number of products, etc, etc, you can easily be successful. However, be realistic. Pick off the "low hanging fruit"; i.e. simple products to re-write the code or new product offerings. WR will often get companies in a "tangled" mess by the choices of processors, SOC, video chips etc etc where NDAs and no published specifications make WR the only choice, or a complete (hardware and software) redesign. My advice: Work smart, build a team (open source) that gradually assimilates new products and the other easy "knock-off" and take your time. Walking into a large company and pitching "kick WR out" is difficult in many circumstances. Most of all, remember that in this company their are managers that drink and eat and "sup" with WR and they have built a career on a partnership with WR. They'll stab you in the back and you'll never see it coming. Also remember companies want to make a profit. So their management will need "some sort of angle" as to what they have unique about their product so other cannot just copy the code and sell it. When you maintain proprietary source code, that is the lock for a company, combined with patents. When you pitch open source solutions, you and the company manager, must figure out a "unique" hook so as to protect that company's investment and profit potential of the product that is now open sources. YMMV. Caveat Emptor! But it is entirely doable depending on the "TEAM" you build as the leader of this venture. GOOD LUCK! James