[gentoo-embedded] GNAP or roll my own?

[gentoo-embedded] GNAP or roll my own?

[Qiangning Hong]

I'd like to turn an old 486 (32MB ram) to a file server accessable via
samba&nfs&ftp.  And I can telnet to it to change user passwords.  And it
should contain some small daemons written by myself (e.g. disk health
monitor).

I know I can start from stage1-x86-uclibc, but I found another
interesting project, GNAP.  I have very little knowledge about GNAP, but
I believe if it suits my requirement, it will reduce my affort a lot.

So, can GNAP help me make such a embedded system?

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Re: [gentoo-embedded] GNAP or roll my own?

[Thierry Carrez]

Qiangning Hong wrote:

> I'd like to turn an old 486 (32MB ram) to a file server accessable via
> samba&nfs&ftp.  And I can telnet to it to change user passwords.  And it
> should contain some small daemons written by myself (e.g. disk health
> monitor).
> 
> I know I can start from stage1-x86-uclibc, but I found another
> interesting project, GNAP.  I have very little knowledge about GNAP, but
> I believe if it suits my requirement, it will reduce my affort a lot.
> 
> So, can GNAP help me make such a embedded system?

Yes, GNAP can help.

GNAP leverages Catalyst LiveCD-building power to help build customized
appliances. The more you customize it, the closer to Catalyst you are.
Also behind GNAP is the notion of interchangeable hardware for a network
function (based on LiveCD hardware discovery), that you won't get so
easy in classic Gentoo embedded building.

That said, the Gentoo embedded classic approach works very well if you
are confortable with it and will end up in a more customized and slimmer
system... So it all depends on the time you want to spend on this, the
level of customization required and if you're interested in the reusage
feature...

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Thierry Carrez (Koon)
GNAP Developer
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Re: [gentoo-embedded] GNAP or roll my own?

[John Huttley]

Qiangning Hong wrote:
> I'd like to turn an old 486 (32MB ram) to a file server accessable via
> samba&nfs&ftp.  And I can telnet to it to change user passwords.  And it
> should contain some small daemons written by myself (e.g. disk health
> monitor).
>
> I know I can start from stage1-x86-uclibc, but I found another
> interesting project, GNAP.  I have very little knowledge about GNAP, but
> I believe if it suits my requirement, it will reduce my affort a lot.
>
> So, can GNAP help me make such a embedded system?
>
>   
Yes, I use GNAP with success on soekris boxes.
The 4501 is equivalaent to a 486-133 with 64Mb ram.
It takes about 5 mins to boot though.

It uses standard baselayout scripts, and they are very slow to execute.

--John
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Re: [gentoo-embedded] GNAP or roll my own?

[Joshua ChaitinPollak]

On Nov 17, 2005, at 1:58 PM, John Huttley wrote:

> Qiangning Hong wrote:
>> I'd like to turn an old 486 (32MB ram) to a file server accessable  
>> via
>> samba&nfs&ftp.  And I can telnet to it to change user passwords.   
>> And it
>> should contain some small daemons written by myself (e.g. disk health
>> monitor).
>>
>> I know I can start from stage1-x86-uclibc, but I found another
>> interesting project, GNAP.  I have very little knowledge about  
>> GNAP, but
>> I believe if it suits my requirement, it will reduce my affort a lot.
>>
>> So, can GNAP help me make such a embedded system?
>>
>>
> Yes, I use GNAP with success on soekris boxes.
> The 4501 is equivalaent to a 486-133 with 64Mb ram.
> It takes about 5 mins to boot though.
>
> It uses standard baselayout scripts, and they are very slow to  
> execute.

I've rolled my own Gentoo embedded for the Soekris 45xx boards, using  
the embedded baselayout and some scripts to ease the pain of creating  
a full installation. It only takes 30 seconds or so to boot.

-Josh

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Software Engineer
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Re: [gentoo-embedded] GNAP or roll my own?

[John Huttley]

Joshua ChaitinPollak wrote:
>
> I've rolled my own Gentoo embedded for the Soekris 45xx boards, using 
> the embedded baselayout and some scripts to ease the pain of creating 
> a full installation. It only takes 30 seconds or so to boot.
>
> -Josh

Wow! Can you give them to me?

--John

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Re: [gentoo-embedded] GNAP or roll my own?

[Joshua ChaitinPollak]

Yeah, I'm going to verify they are all working and then make them  
available to the gentoo-embedded and soekris mailing lists. I suppose  
having some documentation would be helpful too.

On Nov 17, 2005, at 3:16 PM, John Huttley wrote:

> Joshua ChaitinPollak wrote:
>>
>> I've rolled my own Gentoo embedded for the Soekris 45xx boards,  
>> using the embedded baselayout and some scripts to ease the pain of  
>> creating a full installation. It only takes 30 seconds or so to boot.
>>
>> -Josh
>
> Wow! Can you give them to me?
>
> --John
>
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>
>

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Software Engineer
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Re: [gentoo-embedded] GNAP or roll my own?

[John Huttley]

Joshua ChaitinPollak wrote:
> Yeah, I'm going to verify they are all working and then make them 
> available to the gentoo-embedded and soekris mailing lists. I suppose 
> having some documentation would be helpful too.
>
>
We would all be very grateful.

--john

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Re: [gentoo-embedded] GNAP or roll my own?

[wireless]

Joshua ChaitinPollak wrote:

> I've rolled my own Gentoo embedded for the Soekris 45xx boards, using 
> the embedded baselayout and some scripts to ease the pain of creating  a
> full installation. It only takes 30 seconds or so to boot.

http://www.soekris.com/net4501.htm
I look at the web site, and it can take
"a MiniPCI type III board and a low-power standard PCI board"

Any body have 2 pci cards working with this?

Anybody set up iptables with 3 nics so as to get
Internet, LAN and DMZ zones securely configured
with iptables?

curious,
James

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Re: [gentoo-embedded] GNAP or roll my own?

[John Huttley]

wireless wrote:
> http://www.soekris.com/net4501.htm
> I look at the web site, and it can take
> "a MiniPCI type III board and a low-power standard PCI board"
>
> Any body have 2 pci cards working with this?
>
> Anybody set up iptables with 3 nics so as to get
> Internet, LAN and DMZ zones securely configured
> with iptables?
>
> curious,
> James
>
>   
Sure, just tell gnap you have 3 eth's and configure shorewall the way 
you want it.
You don't have to run shorewall at boot time. Run it once, save the 
iptables and then
rw-sync.sh  -w the  var/lib/iptables directory.

Soekris have an optional 4 port std-pci card that will take it to 7 eth's.

The mini-pci card seems mostly for wireless using 'BSD. Its physically a 
different kind of slot.

--John

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