From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FgpNI-0005vY-Ne for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 18 May 2006 20:45:37 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4IKjCw2023468; Thu, 18 May 2006 20:45:12 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4IKj6Hm003759 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 20:45:06 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DFE6442B for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 20:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02719-05 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 20:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.5.10] (dsl092-247-066.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.247.66]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C966643D2 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 20:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <446CDCCD.7030104@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 15:45:01 -0500 From: Mike Doty User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060507) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-devrel@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-devrel@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-devrel@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-devrel] RFC: etiquette enforcment References: <446CCDCF.8040502@gentoo.org> <20060518200528.GA26398@woodpecker.gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20060518200528.GA26398@woodpecker.gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.496 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.103, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.496 X-Spam-Level: X-Archives-Salt: bae231e0-7bd4-414a-8cbb-ed778b9c4dc3 X-Archives-Hash: d6b4107c93e492949f95f71df576729f -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Tim Yamin wrote: >> So, here is my proposal. I hope it's not the only one. >> >> creation of a etiquette enforcement group. This group should be a >> subproject of devrel, but should not be made up of devrel members. I >> say this because the actions and powers of this group need to be >> separated from devrel. > > Who will lead the group? Also is the enforcer's powers limited purely to > spurs on IRC and mailing lists; i.e. behaviour issues and/or repetitive > patterns still go to devrel for discussion; complaints to Bugzilla, etc? Not me, I feel I can't do it while still belonging to the groups that I'm currently in unless there in a public vote and I'm voted in. >> - - enforcer sets modes +q troll for #foobar > > Devs (well, ops in the channel) have always had this capability; nothing > new. Also address problem of enforcer himself being an ass on IRC/MLs, > what happens then; we don't want a "that guy did it and he's reponsible > for good behaviour so I can do it too" happening... Yes, and what happens? someone else kicks the kicker. Addressing a enforcer who acts out is no different than addressing a devrel member who does the same. we try to select people that won't do that, but when it happens we deal with it in the best possible way. >> Sometimes people need a bigger kick in the ass though, which is where a >> short term ban helps. When I say a short term ban, I mean 30-90 >> minutes. it allows everyone to cool off without them using bad judgment >> and popping back in. I do similar enforcement in #-amd64 and it works >> very well. > > ... making sure that said person is informed of the ban, otherwise it > might be useless and have no effect. agreed. >> 1. any and every action that the enforcer uses to enforce etiquette >> needs to be immediately and publicly documented. as a start I recommend >> sending a email to gentoo-devrel ML. This includes full logs/archive >> pointers. > > gentoo-devrel isn't a database for etiquette violations given that it's > archived all over the place. You need a more appropriate place. make it bugs or a webpage or whatever. I don't care so long as it's public. >> 4. if an enforcer has effected a ban on a person/group and the subject >> was a time sensitive topic, then the enforcer is obligated to relay >> messages verbatim from the person/group for the duration of the ban. > > Topic such as? And if it's verbatim what's the point of the ban? The point here is that in a time sensitive situation that even the troll should get his fair say. This is the best that I could come up with. I hope that someone else can suggest a better way. - -- ======================================================= Mike Doty kingtaco@gentoo.org Gentoo/AMD64 Strategic Lead PGP Key: 0xA797C7A7 Gentoo Developer Relations ===GPG Fingerprint=== 0094 7F06 913E 78D6 F1BB 06BA D0AD D125 A797 C7A7 ======================================================= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEbNzN0K3RJaeXx6cRAleVAJ9a9fwOEW+54AsxpGJHakD4R4uvtwCeOL73 tgFG3yNLkvK6thRRqzyShsg= =uQBK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- gentoo-devrel@gentoo.org mailing list