[gentoo-devrel] Meeting log for Thursday 1800UTC (fwd)

[gentoo-devrel] Meeting log for Thursday 1800UTC (fwd)

[Deedra Waters]

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Deedra Waters - Gentoo developer relations, accessibility and infrastructure -
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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:16:35 -0400
From: Daniel Ostrow <dostrow@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-devrel@lists.gentoo.org
Cc: devrel@gentoo.org
Subject: Meeting log for Thursday 1800UTC

Please find it attached.

Summary:
1). It was decided that new recruiters are needed.

2). hparker joins devrel (welcome to the conspiracy)

3). The newly reformed disciplinary process will stay the way it is
until some real world proof can be see of it being too long to be
effective.

Thanks,

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Daniel Ostrow
Gentoo Foundation Board of Trustees
Gentoo/{PPC,PPC64,DevRel}
dostrow@gentoo.org

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Sep 15 13:56:30 dmwaters	ok, and here we go

Sep 15 13:56:35 *	kloeri_ waves

Sep 15 13:56:36 *	dmwaters sets mode +m #gentoo-devrel

Sep 15 13:56:40 *	dmwaters gives voice to hparker

Sep 15 13:56:50 dmwaters	who all is here/awake?

Sep 15 13:57:06 *	fmccor is awake, sort of.

Sep 15 13:57:08 ka0ttic	moo

Sep 15 13:57:09 *	dmwaters knows fmccor  and vapier  are

Sep 15 13:57:15 dmwaters	ka0ttic: ++

Sep 15 13:57:20 slarti	hi all

Sep 15 13:57:29 *	kloeri_ is awake and present :)

Sep 15 13:57:30 dmwaters	slarti: ++

Sep 15 13:57:30 *	hparker is here

Sep 15 13:57:39 dmwaters	kloeri_: ++

Sep 15 13:57:51 dmwaters	ok, we're looking better this time:)

Sep 15 13:58:03 kloeri_	yeah, much improved turnout from last time :)

Sep 15 13:58:04 kingtaco|work	I'm in and out

Sep 15 13:58:09 dmwaters	hi mike:)

Sep 15 13:58:12 kingtaco|work	hola

Sep 15 13:58:19 dmwaters	so

Sep 15 13:58:23 dmwaters	recruiter people

Sep 15 13:58:31 dmwaters	how are we looking  bugs wise?

Sep 15 13:59:03 dmwaters	from a brief look through what we've got, we seem to be fairly on track

Sep 15 13:59:31 kloeri_	I've cleaned up my new-dev bugs and I'm going to pick up new devs probably tomorrow

Sep 15 13:59:47 slarti	dmwaters: eleven new dev bugs without an assignee

Sep 15 13:59:58 dmwaters	hrmmm

Sep 15 14:00:08 dmwaters	i didn't realize that when i was looking

Sep 15 14:00:20 dmwaters	ka0ttic: where are you with new devs?

Sep 15 14:00:45 kingtaco|work	dmwaters, a new recruiter or 2 would be wonderful

Sep 15 14:00:53 kloeri_	I can pick up probably 3 or 4 tomorrow and try to push them through

Sep 15 14:00:54 dmwaters	kingtaco|work: yeah, was thinking that

Sep 15 14:01:02 dmwaters	especially with you out of commission

Sep 15 14:01:06 kingtaco|work	yeah

Sep 15 14:01:21 kingtaco|work	I'll be available to set gentooAccess during the days

Sep 15 14:01:23 dmwaters	i want to see where ka0ttic  is with them to

Sep 15 14:01:31 kingtaco|work	but not anything more until the DSL line is installed

Sep 15 14:01:35 dmwaters	nods

Sep 15 14:01:37 kingtaco|work	it should be tommorow, but who knows

Sep 15 14:01:45 dmwaters	anyone know what's going on with sejo?

Sep 15 14:02:00 kingtaco|work	ISP issues, he said he was going to be out for quite a while

Sep 15 14:02:01 dostrow_work	dmwaters: I'm back

Sep 15 14:02:07 dmwaters	dostrow_work: ++

Sep 15 14:02:29 kloeri_	I think sejo will be back beginning of next month or so

Sep 15 14:02:34 dmwaters	anyone logging this who can tag, bag, and send after this is over with?

Sep 15 14:02:42 *	dostrow_work is

Sep 15 14:02:57 slarti	dostrow_work: leave some devrelsnacks for the rest of us

Sep 15 14:03:00 dmwaters	youre elected then

Sep 15 14:03:05 dostrow_work	w00t!

Sep 15 14:03:13 *	dmwaters prods ka0ttic 

Sep 15 14:03:24 *	Maedhros (n=jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net) has joined #gentoo-devrel

Sep 15 14:03:50 dmwaters	well, i'll prod him later then

Sep 15 14:03:59 dmwaters	any handbook people here?

Sep 15 14:04:21 *	dmwaters looks at dostrow_work and vapier 

Sep 15 14:04:28 dostrow_work	?

Sep 15 14:04:48 vapier	whats up

Sep 15 14:04:51 dmwaters	we've got a lot of bugs open related to the handbook, anyone working on those?

Sep 15 14:04:57 kingtaco|work	you cannot send, toucan is down and noone will get mail

Sep 15 14:05:05 dmwaters	crap

Sep 15 14:05:05 kingtaco|work	unless they fixed it in the past 3 hours

Sep 15 14:05:09 vapier	didnt know we had bugs

Sep 15 14:05:15 vapier	so the answer is 'no' i guess

Sep 15 14:05:21 dmwaters	vapier: look at the bugs assigned to devrel

Sep 15 14:05:36 ka0ttic	dmwaters: sorry I had a phone call

Sep 15 14:05:39 dmwaters	some of those are rather old, and should be dealt with

Sep 15 14:05:43 vapier	yeah i thought those were just for recruiting and such ... i'm used to watching the docs-team list

Sep 15 14:05:49 dmwaters	ka0ttic: ok

Sep 15 14:06:01 dmwaters	vapier: nope, handbook bugs for devs go to us

Sep 15 14:06:03 vapier	i'll review em tonight

Sep 15 14:06:08 dmwaters	thanks

Sep 15 14:06:19 dmwaters	ka0ttic: how are you doing with new devs?

Sep 15 14:06:20 vapier	where are the quizzes located ?

Sep 15 14:06:23 vapier	just in cvs ?

Sep 15 14:06:28 ka0ttic	dmwaters: been busy lately.  I have one I just went over the end quiz with. he's good to do when I have time

Sep 15 14:06:28 dmwaters	vapier: yeah

Sep 15 14:06:32 vapier	(need to update the manager references to cover council and such)

Sep 15 14:06:49 ka0ttic	dmwaters: pretty sure that's the only assigned recruit I have right now

Sep 15 14:06:51 dostrow_work	yeah the metastructure questions need some lovin

Sep 15 14:07:02 vapier	we've got a laundry list on the council list

Sep 15 14:07:04 dmwaters	that they do

Sep 15 14:07:04 vapier	i'll go through that too

Sep 15 14:07:12 dostrow_work	vapier: hit me up tonight if you don't have time or need some extra hands with the handbook

Sep 15 14:07:29 dmwaters	vapier: i'll love you forever if you give it some specially needed attention

Sep 15 14:07:45 vapier	i'll hold you to that

Sep 15 14:08:04 dmwaters	ka0ttic:  are you going to be able to keep doing them, or too busy?

Sep 15 14:08:19 dostrow_work	vapier: I'd like to see us working toward getting the "Write and ebuild for this app" question on the quiz as well

Sep 15 14:08:32 ka0ttic	dmwaters: yeah I'll still be able to do them

Sep 15 14:08:37 dmwaters	ok

Sep 15 14:09:02 hparker	dostrow_work: The end quiz?

Sep 15 14:09:03 dmwaters	ok, let's talk about hparker

Sep 15 14:09:10 hparker	Eeekk

Sep 15 14:09:11 dostrow_work	hparker: yeah

Sep 15 14:09:38 hparker	dostrow_work: Ok, we're still using ebuild.quiz for ATs, wanted to be sure ;)

Sep 15 14:09:40 dostrow_work	dmwaters: yeah what I jerk that hparker guy is....erm I mean...Hi hparker! 

Sep 15 14:09:46 dmwaters	hparker has offered to be my slave...err...join devrel.:) right now, i think he wants to set in and get used to things etc, any objections?

Sep 15 14:09:47 hparker	lol

Sep 15 14:09:59 hparker	slave.... heh

Sep 15 14:10:00 kingtaco|work	nail him to the wall

Sep 15 14:10:06 fmccor	Sounds good.

Sep 15 14:10:17 dmwaters	kingtaco|work: i have special torture just for him:)

Sep 15 14:10:26 kingtaco|work	:)

Sep 15 14:10:29 *	araujo (n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo) has joined #gentoo-devrel

Sep 15 14:10:30 hparker	Ru roh

Sep 15 14:11:12 dmwaters	anyone else?:)

Sep 15 14:11:26 kloeri_	no objections from me

Sep 15 14:11:34 ka0ttic	likewise

Sep 15 14:11:45 dmwaters	ok then

Sep 15 14:11:57 *	ChanServ gives channel operator status to hparker

Sep 15 14:12:03 *	dmwaters gives channel operator status to hparker

Sep 15 14:12:10 dmwaters	hparker welcome to our world:)

Sep 15 14:12:12 hparker	Thanks everyone

Sep 15 14:12:17 hparker	I think ;)

Sep 15 14:12:25 dmwaters	feel free to torment him, i think he likes it:)

Sep 15 14:12:27 *	dmwaters hides

Sep 15 14:12:31 hparker	lol

Sep 15 14:12:38 kloeri_	:)

Sep 15 14:12:47 dmwaters	ok

Sep 15 14:12:50 dmwaters	last item then

Sep 15 14:12:57 dmwaters	then we can all go back to sleep:)

Sep 15 14:13:05 dmwaters	kingtaco|work: ^^

Sep 15 14:13:06 dostrow_work	hparker: you will fast learn that the whole point here is "Who can get close to plasmaroo in the insanity department the fastest."

Sep 15 14:13:18 hparker	rofl

Sep 15 14:13:28 dmwaters	plasmaroo hasn't been seen lately

Sep 15 14:13:36 hparker	Padded room?

Sep 15 14:13:47 vapier	dostrow_work: armin @ di btw

Sep 15 14:13:48 dostrow_work	he set his devaway....limited connectivity for a few days iirc

Sep 15 14:13:50 hparker	I hear there's no 'net access from them

Sep 15 14:13:55 dostrow_work	vapier: listening

Sep 15 14:13:57 dostrow_work	:)

Sep 15 14:14:25 dmwaters	so, the change to the  policy that was braught to me. thoughts, feedback, flames etc? most of those who origionally braught it to me aren't here, so

Sep 15 14:15:14 fmccor	As I've said, I'd prefer to hold off on changes until we try it once.

Sep 15 14:15:18 dostrow_work	vis a vis the enfocement stuff from devrel?

Sep 15 14:15:26 dostrow_work	I agree with fmccor there

Sep 15 14:15:27 dmwaters	dostrow_work: yes

Sep 15 14:15:41 dmwaters	kingtaco|work: ^^^^

Sep 15 14:15:45 ka0ttic	I agree completely with fmccor.

Sep 15 14:15:46 kloeri_	imo the division in jury and investigative teams is teams and I'm not really convinced it's quite as bad as some thinks

Sep 15 14:15:46 vapier	i'm with fmccor too

Sep 15 14:15:56 dostrow_work	I see no reason to change it under the guise of "Its too much red tape." when we have never used it

Sep 15 14:16:08 fmccor	There's a lot of email back and forth on efficiency vs due process considerations, and we just don't know, yet.

Sep 15 14:16:08 kloeri_	agreed

Sep 15 14:16:17 vapier	if it's bad lets fix it but lets find out if it's bad first before arguing over it

Sep 15 14:16:24 dostrow_work	agreed

Sep 15 14:16:45 slarti	agreed

Sep 15 14:16:49 fmccor	I do sort of like g2boojum's idea about broadening the span of possible panel members, though.

Sep 15 14:17:05 hparker	As the n00b... How much investigative/jury work is there?

Sep 15 14:17:07 vapier	which was that ?

Sep 15 14:17:12 dmwaters	it's been suggested before and was voted down

Sep 15 14:17:18 vapier	nm then

Sep 15 14:17:19 dostrow_work	we've discussed that ad nauseum....the problem is the only way to make it effective is to make it manditory

Sep 15 14:17:31 fmccor	dmwaters, OK.

Sep 15 14:17:42 fmccor	dostrow_work, true.

Sep 15 14:17:54 dmwaters	hparker: see topic for policy url

Sep 15 14:17:57 fmccor	hparker, we don't know yet

Sep 15 14:18:02 hparker	Ahhh

Sep 15 14:18:15 vapier	we've just got a whole variety of opinions on the amount

Sep 15 14:18:27 dostrow_work	hparker: that's the whole thing...if you look at devrels history they have had to actually act on things in a big way only three times

Sep 15 14:18:46 dostrow_work	namely brad_mssw, pappy, and ciaranm

Sep 15 14:19:09 dostrow_work	most of the stuff is resolved before it ever gets to that stage

Sep 15 14:19:14 hparker	I mean, I can see the point of jury being seperate, but... Seems overkill to me

Sep 15 14:19:17 slarti	dostrow_work: i agree

Sep 15 14:19:25 dmwaters	well, since mike isn't here then that's it, we'll leave it as is

Sep 15 14:19:37 *	vapier slaps kingtaco|work on the bum

Sep 15 14:19:45 slarti	the thing is, if we're dealing with such a low frequency of events, we may as well judge them properly

Sep 15 14:19:58 dmwaters	and since the others aren't here to defend their request, we'll leave it, to

Sep 15 14:20:46 dmwaters	the one thing fmccor  suggested though and i agree with is that we don't pick the teams till we actually have an issue to deal with

Sep 15 14:21:09 slarti	yeah.

Sep 15 14:21:22 hparker	That sounds fair

Sep 15 14:21:23 fmccor	I thought the policy was written that way.  If not, I just messed up there.

Sep 15 14:21:28 dostrow_work	I could understand needing a mroe streamlined process if A). we had tried it and saw that it was too long or B). we had rampant crazy devs causing problems week in and week out....neither of which is true at the moment

Sep 15 14:21:32 dmwaters	fmccor: it was never decided

Sep 15 14:21:47 dostrow_work	I agree with that

Sep 15 14:21:51 fmccor	dostrow_work, Yes.

Sep 15 14:21:55 dmwaters	dostrow_work: at the moment :)

Sep 15 14:22:04 dostrow_work	we have the pools of people to choose from, no need to choose until something comes up

Sep 15 14:22:11 dmwaters	dostrow_work: agreed

Sep 15 14:22:12 fmccor	Right.

Sep 15 14:22:19 kloeri_	agreed

Sep 15 14:22:34 dmwaters	so then

Sep 15 14:22:37 hparker	Don't need the "Good budy" system going to work against the process

Sep 15 14:22:39 dmwaters	we leave things as they are

Sep 15 14:22:43 hparker	Buddy even

Sep 15 14:22:59 dmwaters	anyone have any other topics?

Sep 15 14:23:32 dostrow_work	the only other topic (and I think it has to wait for the council meeting to be over is finalizing the relationship between QA and devrel vis a vis technical issues

Sep 15 14:23:40 dmwaters	dostrow_work: yeah

Sep 15 14:23:48 dmwaters	dostrow_work: council needs to decide there

Sep 15 14:23:54 fmccor	Yes, that's some of the email I was refering to.

Sep 15 14:23:58 dmwaters	fmccor: got time after meeting?

Sep 15 14:24:00 kloeri_	there's also a good deal of devs being retired

Sep 15 14:24:05 fmccor	dmwaters, sure.

Sep 15 14:24:11 dmwaters	kloeri_: yeah

Sep 15 14:24:22 kloeri_	I agree with whoever said that we need some documented process on how to handle that

Sep 15 14:24:32 dmwaters	kloeri_: now that i'm caught back up i can push those through which i've started doing

Sep 15 14:24:46 dmwaters	kloeri_: i'm going to work with infra on that

Sep 15 14:24:56 dostrow_work	vapier: where the streets have no name???? now that is odd

Sep 15 14:24:58 kloeri_	great

Sep 15 14:24:59 *	Borges (n=anpereir@gentoo/developer/anpereir) has joined #gentoo-devrel

Sep 15 14:25:16 kloeri_	I'll just keep working with jakub on retiring half the devs :)

Sep 15 14:25:25 fmccor	Seems like it.

Sep 15 14:25:27 dmwaters	kloeri_: thanks:)

Sep 15 14:25:40 vapier	so the new ldap system allows us to do much better tracking of active devs ?

Sep 15 14:25:51 dmwaters	vapier: makes it easier to retire them

Sep 15 14:26:07 dostrow_work	since only one account needs to be changed

Sep 15 14:26:23 dmwaters	vapier: may make it easier to track to, i dunno

Sep 15 14:26:34 kloeri_	tracking is still kinda random.. whenever I see a name that I don't immediately recognise as an active I check last commit etc.

Sep 15 14:26:55 vapier	as long as we can retire em that'd be good

Sep 15 14:26:59 dmwaters	kloeri_: the 2 of you keep filing bugs as you find them

Sep 15 14:27:20 kloeri_	will do

Sep 15 14:27:28 dmwaters	vapier: infra still wants to retire them, so all we really can do is give our approval and leave it up to infra to do

Sep 15 14:27:43 vapier	dostrow_work: i lubz when they remix old school ... it's why i listen to eurodance so much ;)

Sep 15 14:28:01 dostrow_work	vapier: indeed

Sep 15 14:28:16 dmwaters	anyone else?

Sep 15 14:28:39 vapier	where's plasmaroo ?

Sep 15 14:28:48 dostrow_work	I think we are all good...I'd like to have another meeting to finalize a policy vis a vis qa after that is settled by the council

Sep 15 14:29:00 dostrow_work	vapier: afk with limited availability for a whi;e

Sep 15 14:29:04 dostrow_work	*while

Sep 15 14:29:07 vapier	ah

Sep 15 14:29:36 dmwaters	dostrow_work: that's easy enough to do, but it's got to wait for them

Sep 15 14:29:44 dmwaters	so

Sep 15 14:29:47 dmwaters	we're done!

Sep 15 14:29:53 *	dmwaters sets mode -m #gentoo-devrel

Re: [gentoo-devrel] Meeting log for Thursday 1800UTC (fwd)

[Homer Parker]

On Thu, 2005-09-15 at 18:33 -0500, Deedra Waters wrote:
> 2). hparker joins devrel (welcome to the conspiracy)

	Heh... thanks for the opportunity to help.

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