From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5F41158089 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 14:32:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 578662BC020; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 14:32:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-40137.protonmail.ch (mail-40137.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.137]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1461C2BC013 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 14:32:19 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1694529134; x=1694788334; bh=1h1YBISKBr2fhgZWOWAmvZ2w7ahtHs6m8mPeQeMe6W4=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=CsRFDxEQM/6a5g7CYL2dORj8SRBLIICwQaGINmcmi1NM/WkBOs8AG5qqxy4I4CDsa QBs8r38PMWcUO+ypSlJWix7B/vgNGIl/an8+17g184veOFimgyYQ87aEH4mWPy+Bvt 8ZJTOA1Fgr9MZ5O8JtUe57Poy2nmYqOY4JGV7KxAcx/Gju7S01Jdjq6DNF2jWfEU+v v49TTiS0ysw50yy6GXtHcPUcWW+Cv6yGzKrImFxO1wavc4roUCtFLHeu+rdbUJoGJY 92zNNXC5Y0TyYKG044Vj1Sez1m8yJFJvSNma30KyjeTGMyGl0nR7ZgijUTp1PYWhpA 9m2X98Grc7uPQ== Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 14:31:53 +0000 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: martin-kokos Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <7802203.lOV4Wx5bFT@kona> <20230911084231.73dd619f@Akita> <5848191c-8708-edfe-0c69-eeced3907b0d@gmail.com> <87zg1szc23.fsf@gentoo.org> <5d96d41de2f7057b42b436783678c8c4.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <87zg1sxu88.fsf@gentoo.org> <6aca04641c105c3fc72910fdbb7b6c01.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <877cowxs1c.fsf@gentoo.org> Feedback-ID: 25395503:user:proton Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 7c776f68-cbb8-4835-8bb7-52f7bdd0d21f X-Archives-Hash: e69b35ed82875455f44f06f37f028541 ------- Original Message ------- On Tuesday, September 12th, 2023 at 3:36 PM, Eddie Chapman = wrote: > Sam James wrote: >=20 > > "Eddie Chapman" eddie@ehuk.net writes: > >=20 > > > > > So what's the situation with the current Gentoo maintainers? Have > > > > > they disappeared? I often see on here packages being offered up f= or > > > > > grabs. Why > > > > > hasn't there been a call to give others the opportunity to volunt= eer > > > > > as maintainers rather than going straight to last riting the pack= age? > > > > > Or > > > > > has that happened and I've missed it, in which case I apologise. > > > >=20 > > > > There was a year ago or so and nothing really came out of it. But s= ee > > > > above wrt 'tags'. > > >=20 > > > A year is a long time, there might well now be people willing to take > > > over maintaining it that were not willing to 1 year ago, if that is w= hat > > > is required. > >=20 > > They have a month to step up anyway, although that will involve > > upstream activity too. >=20 >=20 > I see there was already a change in the tree yesterday that assumes > sys-fs/eudev is going (commit d46677fd864b30315423c8364ca44db2de98e2a1, > sys-fs/mdadm/mdadm-4.2-r2, amd64 stable keyworded). Has this actually bee= n > decided behind the scenes already? This starts to smell a little ugly > unless I've completely misunderstood something. I hope I'm wrong. >=20 > One thing I don't understand: the Gentoo project page for eudev lists 4 > members including the lead, and FWICT they are mostly still active in > other areas of Gentoo (recent commits to the tree in other packages). The > project lead is also an original author of eudev. I find it hard to > believe that all 4 of these people have completely lost interest in eudev > in Gentoo. Have any of these 4 maintainers publicly said (anywhere) that > they are not interested in being maintainers anymore (which is fine if > that is the case)? We're not talking here about a lone maintainer of some > peripheral package that's disappeared leaving an orphaned package. >=20 > I'm an outsider to Gentoo development (just a heavy user for over a decad= e > both personally and professionally) so I might have missed something. I > just find it puzzling. I don't understand why there is need to go off of *hints and clues* whether= its active development or whether the project maintainers want to maintain= it or not. The project lead has explained the original reason for eudev being part of = base and why that reason has passed. Issue decided 2 years ago. https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2021-08-24-eudev-retirement.html If there were maintainers to suport it for 2 extra years, that's very nice = of them. Speculating, without them, after their decision to last-rite and a= sking to support eudev indefinitely, without giving any insightful reason a= s to why, seems ... not a great way to motivate someone to do something ext= ra for me. Martin