[gentoo-dev] Unmasking latest ALSA modules

[gentoo-dev] Unmasking latest ALSA modules

[Arcady Genkin]

I have done some more testing of the 0.9.0rc1 version of the modules,
and everything is looking good to me.  I'm planning to unmask them on
Monday night, unless someone yells at me.  I'll post a short
announcement on upgrading from previous versions then.

In the meantime -r3 of the new alsa-drivers package is out.  If anyone
feels like testing, it would be great.  The changes are mostly with
the startup script and the config file in /etc/modules.d/.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking latest ALSA modules

[Spider]

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testing right now, I've been using -beta until now, Just removed the
beta packages and checked that i got the right versions on (-rc ) so ill
get back if it doesn't work after my upcoming reboot ;)

//Spider

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On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:48:06 -0400
Arcady Genkin <agenkin@thpoon.com> wrote:

> I have done some more testing of the 0.9.0rc1 version of the modules,
> and everything is looking good to me.  I'm planning to unmask them on
> Monday night, unless someone yells at me.  I'll post a short
> announcement on upgrading from previous versions then.
> 
> In the meantime -r3 of the new alsa-drivers package is out.  If anyone
> feels like testing, it would be great.  The changes are mostly with
> the startup script and the config file in /etc/modules.d/.
> -- 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking latest ALSA modules

[Einar Karttunen]

On 29.04 14:14, Spider wrote:
> testing right now, I've been using -beta until now, Just removed the
> beta packages and checked that i got the right versions on (-rc ) so ill
> get back if it doesn't work after my upcoming reboot ;)
> 

I have used the raw tar.gz versions of alsa 0.90rc on my
gentoo machine. For me it seemed too harsh that alsa-lib
fails to build if alsa-driver is not installed because
many people have their custom kernel against which the
standard alsa-driver won't build. The patch to alsa-lib
is trivial: just remove the exit 1 from configure after
the alsa-driver test.

- Einar Karttunen

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking latest ALSA modules

[Arcady Genkin]

Einar Karttunen <ekarttun@cs.helsinki.fi> writes:

> For me it seemed too harsh that alsa-lib fails to build if
> alsa-driver is not installed 

Alsa-driver installs a bunch of header files, without which the -lib
will not compile.  Therefore, -driver is a dependency for -lib.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking latest ALSA modules

[Einar Karttunen]

On 29.04 11:13, Arcady Genkin wrote:
> Einar Karttunen <ekarttun@cs.helsinki.fi> writes:
> 
> > For me it seemed too harsh that alsa-lib fails to build if
> > alsa-driver is not installed 
> 
> Alsa-driver installs a bunch of header files, without which the -lib
> will not compile.  Therefore, -driver is a dependency for -lib.

yes, but it seems (might have been just the *.tar.gz) that it wants
a kernel source tree to which can be very inconvenient.

- Einar Karttunen

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking latest ALSA modules

[Arcady Genkin]

Einar Karttunen <ekarttun@cs.helsinki.fi> writes:

>> > For me it seemed too harsh that alsa-lib fails to build if
>> > alsa-driver is not installed 
>> 
>> Alsa-driver installs a bunch of header files, without which the -lib
>> will not compile.  Therefore, -driver is a dependency for -lib.
>
> yes, but it seems (might have been just the *.tar.gz) that it wants
> a kernel source tree to which can be very inconvenient.

Einar, could you please expand on your point?  I might be dense, but I
can't understand what inconvenience you are talking about. ;^)

alsa-driver package, indeed, requires linux sources to compile.
alsa-lib does not directly need the kernel sources, but it needs the
headers, installed by the alsa-driver package; so it requres the
kernel sources indirectly...
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking latest ALSA modules

[Spider]

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ok.
now one has to load the snd-mixer-oss and snd-pcm-oss in order to get
that to work, I switched bootscript from alsa to alsasound and it won't
work if I autoload them, so they had to be moved to local.start instead,
a solution that I'm not really happy with.

I'm thinking of reverting to using the alsa bootup script (the really
unfancy one) and use modules.autoload again, since that feels more solid
and tunable than the automagic one in alsasound.


except for this, it works nicely.

//Spider


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On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:14:57 +0200
Spider <spider@gentoo.org> wrote:

> testing right now, I've been using -beta until now, Just removed the
> beta packages and checked that i got the right versions on (-rc ) so
> ill get back if it doesn't work after my upcoming reboot ;)
> 
> //Spider
> 
> begin  quote
> On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:48:06 -0400
> Arcady Genkin <agenkin@thpoon.com> wrote:
> 
> > I have done some more testing of the 0.9.0rc1 version of the
> > modules, and everything is looking good to me.  I'm planning to
> > unmask them on Monday night, unless someone yells at me.  I'll post
> > a short announcement on upgrading from previous versions then.
> > 
> > In the meantime -r3 of the new alsa-drivers package is out.  If
> > anyone feels like testing, it would be great.  The changes are
> > mostly with the startup script and the config file in
> > /etc/modules.d/.-- 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking latest ALSA modules

[agenkin]

Spider <spider@gentoo.org> writes:

> now one has to load the snd-mixer-oss and snd-pcm-oss in order to get
> that to work, I switched bootscript from alsa to alsasound and it won't
> work if I autoload them, so they had to be moved to local.start instead,
> a solution that I'm not really happy with.

Thanks for testing.

Maybe we should modprobe them from alsasound startup script?
Or, perhaps, start alsasound before modules are autoloaded?
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Arcady Genkin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking latest ALSA modules

[Spider]

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On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 05:54:01 -0400
agenkin@thpoon.com wrote:

> 
> Thanks for testing.
> 
> Maybe we should modprobe them from alsasound startup script?
> Or, perhaps, start alsasound before modules are autoloaded?


to load those from alsasound wouldn't be good for those that dont use
them, extra bloat etc.etc. but to load alsasound before modules would
very well be possible. or register them as /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer and
make them autoload by means of kernel/devfsd?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking latest ALSA modules

[Jano Lukac]

You might find this interesting:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=devfs+alsa+autoload&hl=en&selm=fa.f55cg5v.1oiir8v%40ifi.uio.no&rnum=1
I have yet to get it to work, but who knows.  *shrug*

Spider said:
> begin  quote
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 05:54:01 -0400
> agenkin@thpoon.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for testing.
>>
>> Maybe we should modprobe them from alsasound startup script?
>> Or, perhaps, start alsasound before modules are autoloaded?
>
>
> to load those from alsasound wouldn't be good for those that dont use
> them, extra bloat etc.etc. but to load alsasound before modules would
> very well be possible. or register them as /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer and
> make them autoload by means of kernel/devfsd?
>
> //Spider
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking latest ALSA modules

[Jano Lukac]

Wait.. you guys were talking about getting the oss-emulation to autoload,
too, right?  Well.. "I have yet to get both to autoload." :( :| :)  I gave
up about 5 months ago, wish you guys better luck ;)

jano

Jano Lukac said:
>
> You might find this interesting:
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=devfs+alsa+autoload&hl=en&selm=fa.f55cg5v.1oiir8v%40ifi.uio.no&rnum=1> I have yet to get it to work, but who knows.  *shrug*
>
> Spider said:
>> begin  quote
>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 05:54:01 -0400
>> agenkin@thpoon.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for testing.
>>>
>>> Maybe we should modprobe them from alsasound startup script?
>>> Or, perhaps, start alsasound before modules are autoloaded?
>>
>>
>> to load those from alsasound wouldn't be good for those that dont use
>> them, extra bloat etc.etc. but to load alsasound before modules would
>> very well be possible. or register them as /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer and
>> make them autoload by means of kernel/devfsd?
>>
>> //Spider
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking latest ALSA modules

[Arcady Genkin]

Spider <spider@gentoo.org> writes:

>> Maybe we should modprobe them from alsasound startup script?
>> Or, perhaps, start alsasound before modules are autoloaded?
>
> to load alsasound before modules would very well be possible. 

I just tried doing the former, and neither adding "before modules" to
the alsasound init script, nor adding "use alsa-modules" to the
modules init script ensured that alsasound init script is executed
*before* modules...  Am I missing something obvious?

> or register them as /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer and make them autoload
> by means of kernel/devfsd?

I have only rudimentary knowledge of the devfs workings/config...  If
anyone thiks that this is a better way than ordering the init scripts,
and knows how to do the above, I'd be much obliged for a pointer on
this.

I'm going to unmask alsa 0.9 in the meanwhile.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking latest ALSA modules

[Martin Schlemmer]

On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 06:37, Arcady Genkin wrote:
> Spider <spider@gentoo.org> writes:
> 
> >> Maybe we should modprobe them from alsasound startup script?
> >> Or, perhaps, start alsasound before modules are autoloaded?
> >
> > to load alsasound before modules would very well be possible. 
> 
> I just tried doing the former, and neither adding "before modules" to
> the alsasound init script, nor adding "use alsa-modules" to the
> modules init script ensured that alsasound init script is executed
> *before* modules...  Am I missing something obvious?
> 

Send me the scripts in either cases, or attach inline.

> > or register them as /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer and make them autoload
> > by means of kernel/devfsd?
> 

something like:

REGISTER snd/whatever  EXECUTE /sbin/modprobe alsa-oss-mixer

but as I have no idea what so ever as to what you guys want to
do, I cannot say for sure.

> I have only rudimentary knowledge of the devfs workings/config...  If
> anyone thiks that this is a better way than ordering the init scripts,
> and knows how to do the above, I'd be much obliged for a pointer on
> this.
> 
> I'm going to unmask alsa 0.9 in the meanwhile.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking latest ALSA modules

[Gert Menke]

Hi,

I have not followed this thread, but what about
"post-install snd-card-0 modprobe snd-mixer-oss ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss"
in /etc/modules.d/alsa?

Greetings
Gert

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking latest ALSA modules

[Andrew Aylett]

Gert Menke <gert@menke.za.net> writes:

> Hi,
> 
> I have not followed this thread, but what about
> "post-install snd-card-0 modprobe snd-mixer-oss ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss"
> in /etc/modules.d/alsa?

I use

alias /dev/dsp snd-pcm-oss
alias /dev/mixer snd-mixer-oss

in /etc/modules.d/alsa

If you use /dev/sound/* then add the requesite lines as well, and make
sure that you have the module auto-loading feature switched on (as it
is by default) in /etc/devfsd.conf.

This is, IMO, a very nice feature of devfs -- If you need a module
loaded for a device, then you can alias that device to the module required.

The lines above work for both versions of ALSA, the only caveat being
that the oss compatability modules don't autoload any sound card
modules, but you should have the sound modules loaded already in order
to get the sound volume unmuted.

OK,
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RE: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking latest ALSA modules

[a-mellin]

I tried the new alsa-driver,alsa-utils and alsa-libs, but when I 
had them installed, I couldn`t load the modules or set the mixer, 
due to a "double" installation. So I removed the old 0.5.* 
packages, but then gnome(2) and gnome apps wouldn`t start because 
they missed something like libasound.so.1... I coudn`t figure out 
how to fix this, so I emerged rsync and updated world. Then I got 
the "double" issue again, and my gnome apps won`t start because 
they miss libasound.so.2 (again, something in the lines of that). 
How come gnome misses everything all of a sudden?






>===== Original Message From "Jano Lukac" <jano@portablehole.net> 
=====
>Wait.. you guys were talking about getting the oss-emulation to 
autoload,
>too, right?  Well.. "I have yet to get both to autoload." :( :| :)  
I gave
>up about 5 months ago, wish you guys better luck ;)
>
>jano
>
>Jano Lukac said:
>>
>> You might find this interesting:
>>
>>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=devfs+alsa+autoload&hl=en&selm=fa.f55cg5v.1
oiir8v%40ifi.uio.no&rnum=1> 
I have yet to get it to work, but who knows.  *shrug*
>>
>> Spider said:
>>> begin  quote
>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 05:54:01 -0400
>>> agenkin@thpoon.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for testing.
>>>
>>> Maybe we should modprobe them from alsasound startup script?
>>> Or, perhaps, start alsasound before modules are autoloaded?
>>>
>>>
>>> to load those from alsasound wouldn't be good for those that 
dont use
>>> them, extra bloat etc.etc. but to load alsasound before modules 
would
>>> very well be possible. or register them as /dev/dsp and 
/dev/mixer and
>>> make them autoload by means of kernel/devfsd?
>>>
>>> //Spider
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking latest ALSA modules

[Arcady Genkin]

a-mellin <a-mellin@online.no> writes:

> I tried the new alsa-driver,alsa-utils and alsa-libs, but when I 
> had them installed, I couldn`t load the modules or set the mixer, 
> due to a "double" installation. 

There was a little mess with package version numbering.  If you update
the package.mask file to the latest CVS version, this should no longer
happen for you.  If it does, please file detailed bug reports.

> So I removed the old 0.5.* packages, but then gnome(2) and gnome
> apps wouldn`t start because they missed something like
> libasound.so.1...

Technically, 0.9 installs a symlink libasound.so.1 -> libasound.so.2,
and this is supposed to work.
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