From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1O0gLU-0006Jg-Sn for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 19:27:57 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 165D6E089D; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 19:27:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB70E0807 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 19:27:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D52011B40CF for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 19:27:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -1.939 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.939 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.660, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fu6HGhkCVlxP for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 19:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f49.google.com (mail-ww0-f49.google.com [74.125.82.49]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C64C1B404A for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 19:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwg30 with SMTP id 30so1255994wwg.36 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 12:27:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:received:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=qZCf/B2AiZmedpPZdE35DyrvTeg5B0935+2xuhJ8JHs=; b=JRknFl2Q2cQP87ErSWlV4GrUwsD3Q95PaqPN/RlDI+fMl/90Qg5ISpJFb51PS5kGni 0SJ0K7zE6njosAJs+gsPNau1joYd1l6O9xM5Sc6rEe1OPVAxNVPlD1SaaTHogkfkr9O/ dsQn1qQ/vP8BWjpUZ7UtMc1sEa4AX6OQoBUN8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=RrJx0bIoqdp4u2hUiyXAte3XtaRDqIaVxN5jbbgpVjz4+cyN/8jRg5AxMz30sZ+teL 65ZLlp1l/ZWIva0oj7XJSN2003k41r6YC06ynZNL5VCA2awuX17xRs+yAUtYhNrhrQEE JIcUyzpD80RH/DttGTh/hLDJa6o0TlngiKoXU= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: denis.dupeyron@gmail.com Received: by 10.216.11.205 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 12:27:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BC082EC.4050109@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 13:27:36 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ee1d5fada632ebd0 Received: by 10.216.182.142 with SMTP id o14mr1069627wem.146.1270927656938; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 12:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead? From: Denis Dupeyron To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: 85ace80a-ba32-494b-84ec-3b9d26eee173 X-Archives-Hash: 205ef01e4f5825eaa630d299807e4c6e Ben, Petteri was proposing an idea. He is being creative and is trying to help. The only way of knowing if his idea is good is to discuss it and later try it if people are interested. You, on the other hand, have lately been increasingly critical (which is good) but not constructively. You obviously have a lot of energy but at no point have you offered your contribution. You haven't offered to help the teams you've been criticizing and you haven't proposed any real idea (website redesign, recruiters). Also you're criticizing without knowing what is happening when the information is publicly available (you're asking for a discussion on the metadata idea and it was a topic last month, the devrel issue is being tackled and it started before your rant). On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: > I am willing to follow real leaders Willing to follow? Wow, that's ballsy. Now I understand why you needed to tell the world about it. > who inspire and lead by example, There are lots of good role models to follow in Gentoo. All those who work their ass off trying to make this distribution better, and use the mailing lists as a tool to share ideas but not for immature political rantings. > You've just shown a striking lack of such leadership. > > No cheers this time, And you've shown a striking lack of respect for somebody who's been so dedicated to Gentoo for more time than you've been a developer, and without whom you wouldn't even be a developer as he was your recruiter. This is so wrong. Credibility is among these things which take a long and hard work to build up and can completely blow up at any time. Don't waste yours. Denis.