From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ny2J9-0004vV-U0 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 12:18:36 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B44FCE095D; Sat, 3 Apr 2010 12:18:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f210.google.com (mail-bw0-f210.google.com [209.85.218.210]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A60E080C for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2010 12:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so2318540bwz.10 for ; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 05:18:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:received:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=xGp0euDUypStKks1LIoKzrI3yy9ydkDXfg1QnmQ/POU=; b=STcC/dgia1lPPOenvTbVWsGLUkMXQlzv8I3zC3jYo8NMJ7jF94zFTJtUY3YdqiHrx4 UJv6DUyslc4eKSbmXyCKZYhkDCBlG5/QNUYQJ+/a9j3jo7vbHjIhwtJc3393AhHFX//5 h5E9kTeP1jK5jihnUbHIsU1HRMr5HArHsFlC0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=mJjbqYfqkKxfzw+f0B0YWvrobTIu+DL6Y/2eIX2e0w9WaZ68Y0ktuJSM63N7jwSc/s HkE+bIxA/JF05vbsnoHOCyx/N6rgQ8OWAzX/UJvb0+EMqAQBeljfyJOyuTCkEpCwKvGQ +lerUCdPm3fX1NYnkoELEIr5f107KkQFGxPnM= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: yngwin.gentoo@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.33.199 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Apr 2010 05:18:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BB70E5C.8040405@gentoo.org> References: <1270286192.18734.3.camel@homer.ob.libexec.de> <4BB70E5C.8040405@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 14:18:31 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4f86fe3ad6e10c11 Received: by 10.204.129.218 with SMTP id p26mr4053784bks.145.1270297111127; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 05:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: [gentoo-dev][Gentoo Phoenix] Re: Is Gentoo a Phoenix? From: Ben de Groot To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: f71e2560-894c-411a-ab86-d204015f8fea X-Archives-Hash: b4b62ea0e9f55cdea1a2d2765dd9ed53 On 3 April 2010 11:46, Patrick Lauer wrote: > On 04/03/10 11:16, Tobias Scherbaum wrote: >> Hell no, but ... >> >> We have lots of quite understaffed areas, to sum up in a positive way. >> Summing it up the negative way one might say, we have lots of areas were >> users might get the idea Gentoo already is dead. > > So what are _you_ doing to make it better? I like that attitude! And I'm so going to steal your idea about the phoenix. I'll start using the [Gentoo Phoenix] tag for discussions about how we can make Gentoo better. Maybe we could even start a project for it, trying to bring together ideas and people who want to improve things. I have several things I wanted to start a discussion about already, and it seems these things are in the air now as I see these topics popping up left and right now. I'll fork off from this discussion into some specific things in order to try to keep things a bit organized. >> So - what to do now? > For me it's simple. I try to > - dedicate time to fixing things. Takes lots of time, can be demotivating As I've recently refocussed my Gentoo activities on Qt, and withdrawn from various other herds I was involved in, I now have some time and motivation to pick up something new. I wish to dedicate this to something that will really help and I believe these discussions are a good starting point. I hope it will trigger others in similar ways. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux Qt project lead developer