From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1O0h7Q-0002M3-R8 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 20:17:31 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 92572E0854; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 20:17:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64FEDE076F for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 20:17:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so741683bwz.26 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 13:17:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:received:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=tsi1og/21EKKnYxppfDgmYpbUfPe2iEobQPNhNsWz2M=; b=p3UhE0zI9oK1KK5IbwGyu/mi3H3xU1bxy+D0tLUUQ+CHsOTVRI/GzIjD6B2CPw5McK YcT1lge1akdGIbKypgK0oT2Y3lFzawcpNxruOhlbTrvqZw6UoFF6LrPB6C6DAmUVpFOA XP8afU80LmirIHM+BPTFg01gr6kaOQBmphhKA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=blxgOj3/af0+79vpP7OE4cMh19ibxLSmjtwI3AZo/Vi/pAYucJr+QuLwkeY6Mtnqop 1TltBoiUy4xKt1rNlFRXdK8Y+af1DCxMAYMkm5JmHe1uuEbJiX9gjt5w+LZTwwPqUhQJ uLvIfEFgeOOcYWEVUeFM1/jonwd7NeWV4aZlk= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: yngwin.gentoo@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.33.199 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 13:17:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BC082EC.4050109@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 22:17:18 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7fe8a6e6caaf805c Received: by 10.204.34.3 with SMTP id j3mr2156372bkd.23.1270930638439; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 13:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead? From: Ben de Groot To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 91663651-bc46-4922-8798-35505a4837fd X-Archives-Hash: d6bc726db392fbf6e6a1ee57af2f8bbb On 10 April 2010 21:27, Denis Dupeyron wrote: > Ben, > > Petteri was proposing an idea. He is being creative You call that creative? It seems you don't know what the word means. > You, on the other hand, have lately been increasingly critical (which > is good) but not constructively. You obviously have a lot of energy > but at no point have you offered your contribution. You haven't > offered to help the teams you've been criticizing and you haven't > proposed any real idea (website redesign, recruiters). I guess I was hallucinating that I started the wiki project, which has been a popular request for as long as I can remember. I guess I imagined I worked together with Markos to start the proxy-maintainer project to improve visibility of that option to contribute. And I must have been dreaming that I sent a mail about forming a team to review and renew the recruitment process and curriculum. I must be mistaken in thinking I have proposed to centralize all developer documentation into one place. Oh, and forgive me for not publicly announcing that I sent a mail to the dormant webteam about joining and offering my help. And asking for leadership on issues that affect Gentoo on a wider scale is not constructive? Or maybe you are wrong about those things. Maybe you are not noticing my contributions? > Also you're > criticizing without knowing what is happening when the information is > publicly available (you're asking for a discussion on the metadata > idea and it was a topic last month, It is exactly because I know what council decided about the metadata idea that I spoke up and asked for a reconsideration, giving some (in my eyes) good arguments as to why you should. But I guess your reading comprehension isn't that stellar either. > the devrel issue is being tackled and it started before your rant). To my knowledge there was no public announcement about that, other than that we have another lead now. > Credibility is among these things which take a long and hard work to > build up and can completely blow up at any time. Indeed. And you have now completely blown yours. I am still hoping for a better Gentoo and volunteering to make that happen. I hope you do too. So step up to the task and be a real leader, which is what you were elected to do. Or, if you are unable or unwilling to do so, step down and make room for somebody else who is more qualified for the job. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead